Galloway is back

[Virus]

I don't know why you think it's such a big deal that MEMRI captured and translated a video of George Galloway giving money to an Islamofascist terrorist group. Especially when you claim to not support George Galloway.

 

[Craig B]

I don't know why you think it's such a big deal that MEMRI captured and translated a video of George Galloway giving money to an Islamofascist terrorist group. Especially when you claim to not support George Galloway.

If you don't know why, let me tell you why. MEMRI is part of the apparatus of extremist Zionism which is opposed to any just settlement of the Palestinian issue. I reject this utterly, regardless of anything Galloway takes it into his head to do or say. I hope you understand now.

 

[Croydon Bob]

Maybe you should read your own post because you appear confused. You said "Galloway denounces anti-semitism by Muslims" not "Galloway called The Holocaust the greatest crime in human history".

Mazher Mahmood is a Muslim. He was also pretending to be a Muslim sheikh. I don't know why you are having so much difficulty understanding.

Yes, and you've just done it. You linked to, and quoted from, an article which was a report by Galloway of an event in which he took part. He reports that during that event he made a statement to another person. We only have his word that this occurred because there is no independent testimony. He might have just said, "Yeah, there probably weren't 6 million killed." On the other hand he might have said exactly what he reported he said. We only have his word for it. You appear to believe this is not the case so please cite the person or people who corroborate his account, or accept that we only have his word for it.

>sigh< I explained it to you. You've more or less repeated it back and you STILL don't get it? We DON'T only have his word for it that he said it, because it is in the article that he wrote. The one that you read and referred to. Even if he didn't say it to Mazher Mahmood he has said it in the article. You know, the one written by George Galloway that you have read. It sets out his public position on the Holocaust, even when the denial is being made by Muslims. You can't argue that he is only pretending that his position is as set out by him in a national newspaper unless you can find another article intended only for Muslims where he says that he didn't mean it, or something equally complex and unlikely.

Do you understand yet?

 

[WildCat]

If you don't know why, let me tell you why. MEMRI is part of the apparatus of extremist Zionism which is opposed to any just settlement of the Palestinian issue. I reject this utterly, regardless of anything Galloway takes it into his head to do or say. I hope you understand now.

So it's OK that Galloway gave cash to a internationally recognized terrorist group, because you don't like MEMRI?

 

[baron]

>sigh< I explained it to you. You've more or less repeated it back and you STILL don't get it? We DON'T only have his word for it that he said it, because it is in the article that he wrote. The one that you read and referred to. Even if he didn't say it to Mazher Mahmood he has said it in the article. You know, the one written by George Galloway that you have read. It sets out his public position on the Holocaust, even when the denial is being made by Muslims. You can't argue that he is only pretending that his position is as set out by him in a national newspaper unless you can find another article intended only for Muslims where he says that he didn't mean it, or something equally complex and unlikely.

Do you understand yet?

First, a lesson in grammar. I stated that we only have his word for what he said to the pretend Muslim. This is fact and there is no question about it, no matter how much you argue.

If you want to argue about whether what he allegedly said is what he wrote, and what he wrote is what he believes then that's another matter. All I can say about that is I didn't suspect you were so naive. Do you believe Nick Griffin when, on BBC Question Time, he announces that the Holocaust actually happened and was terrible, and that he's not racist and his party welcomes minority members? Sure, he said it so it must be true. Pull the other one. Galloway's historic and continuing support of anti-Jewish extremism puts into perspective any nicey-nicey words he might write for widespread consumption.

And for the record, the denial was not "made by Muslims", it was made by people who were pretending to be Muslims and who Galloway states that he knew were not Muslims.

 

[Craig B]

So it's OK that Galloway gave cash to a internationally recognized terrorist group, because you don't like MEMRI?

If he did that, it's most certainly not OK. What does whether I like MEMRI or not have to do with my disapproval of such acts by Galloway, if he has committed them? If Galloway stopped doing such things, assuming he is, then would that make MEMRI more sympathetic to the plight of the Palestinians? Have I not repeatedly stated that I oppose Galloway in most of his political initiatives? What are you talking about?

 

[WildCat]

If he did that, it's most certainly not OK.

"If" he did that?

Do you have a conspiracy theory you'd like to share?

 

[Craig B]

"If" he did that?

Do you have a conspiracy theory you'd like to share?

Then assume that he did. How does that change my argument? I oppose MEMRI, on the grounds that I have stated, regardless of whatever Galloway takes it into his head to say or do.

 

[WildCat]

Then assume that he did. How does that change my argument? I oppose MEMRI, on the grounds that I have stated, regardless of whatever Galloway takes it into his head to say or do.

This thread is about Galloway. Who is on film cheerfully giving sacks of cash to a terrorist group.

Maybe you should start a thread on MEMRI?

What do you think of Galloway giving sacks of cash to Hamas?

 

[Craig B]

This thread is about Galloway. Who is on film cheerfully giving sacks of cash to a terrorist group.

Maybe you should start a thread on MEMRI?

What do you think of Galloway giving sacks of cash to Hamas?

I am very much opposed to it. Hamas are reactionary religious maniacs. Galloway is in the habit of pandering to backward religious elements to secure a political base in ethnic minority communities in the UK. It enables him to win parliamentary elections. He is a political opportunist of the most shameless variety.

I don't think he's a holocaust-denying antisemite, though.

What do you think of Evangelical Christian or Jewish religious maniacs giving donations to illegal settlements in the occupied territories? That's a comparable misdeed on the ultra-Zionist side.

ETA. I must admit, that any money that is donated to enable the people of Gaza to survive or resist the Israeli blockade is money well spent, in my opinion. But money most certainly should not be given to Hamas to enable them to pursue an Islamicist agenda, or to organisations intent on attacking civilian Israeli targets, or murdering Jewish Israeli citizens. If Galloway has done that, I will not defend him. I don't much like him anyway, as I have repeatedly said.

 

[WildCat]

ETA. I must admit, that any money that is donated to enable the people of Gaza to survive or resist the Israeli blockade is money well spent, in my opinion. But money most certainly should not be given to Hamas to enable them to pursue an Islamicist agenda, or to organisations intent on attacking civilian Israeli targets, or murdering Jewish Israeli citizens. If Galloway has done that, I will not defend him. I don't much like him anyway, as I have repeatedly said.

"If" Galloway has done that?

 

[Craig B]

"If" Galloway has done that?

Yes, if he has donated money to facilitate religious reaction or atrocities against civilians, that is indefensible. Now answer my question.

 

[WildCat]

Yes, if he has donated money to facilitate religious reaction or atrocities against civilians, that is indefensible. Now answer my question.

He gave it to Hamas, and attacking civilians and committing other war crimes is pretty much what Hamas does. Their stated goal is genocide of the Jews.

Would you like to see a video of Galloway declaring his solidarity with Hamas?

 

[Craig B]

He gave it to Hamas, and attacking civilians and committing other war crimes is pretty much what Hamas does. Their stated goal is genocide of the Jews.

Would you like to see a video of Galloway declaring his solidarity with Hamas?

Very well. Now answer my question.

 

[Craig B]

He gave it to Hamas, and attacking civilians and committing other war crimes is pretty much what Hamas does. Their stated goal is genocide of the Jews.

Would you like to see a video of Galloway declaring his solidarity with Hamas?

Answer my question, and also this since you have implied it. Do you believe that Galloway's goal is genocide of the Jews?

 

[Croydon Bob]

If you want to argue about whether what he allegedly said is what he wrote, and what he wrote is what he believes then that's another matter. All I can say about that is I didn't suspect you were so naive. Do you believe Nick Griffin when, on BBC Question Time, he announces that the Holocaust actually happened and was terrible, and that he's not racist and his party welcomes minority members? Sure, he said it so it must be true. Pull the other one. Galloway's historic and continuing support of anti-Jewish extremism puts into perspective any nicey-nicey words he might write for widespread consumption.

And for the record, the denial was not "made by Muslims", it was made by people who were pretending to be Muslims and who Galloway states that he knew were not Muslims.

Oh good grief.

1. Mazher Mahmood is a Muslim. I already told you that. Or perhaps he's lying and I'm naive. It really doesn't make any difference to the basic point.

2. Galloway put it in writing. I saw him on TV saying something similar many years ago. It has always been his consistent position. It isn't the position of a non-existent fantasy Galloway that right-wing nutters like to hate, but that's reality for you. Comparing Galloway to Griffin is a childish fail. Griffin has a track record of Holocaust denial; he has been recorded saying things at BNP meetings that he doesn't say when he gets a TV opportunity. No such evidence exists regarding Galloway, indeed quite the opposite is true - he has said and done all sorts of stupid and embarrassing things while on national and/or international TV. Which is why it baffles me that people feel the need to make extra stuff up. Whatever weird pro-Muslim stuff I might think that he has said and done on various occasions, he does not think that he is anti-semitic. He is not a "Jew hater" just as he does not hate Germans because of the Holocaust. Or maybe he does hate Germans and I'm naive.

 

[baron]

Oh good grief.

1. Mazher Mahmood is a Muslim. I already told you that. Or perhaps he's lying and I'm naive. It really doesn't make any difference to the basic point.

Mahmood said nothing in his capacity of actually being Muslim so it's a moot issue. But I agree it makes no difference to the basic point, on which I have proved to be right, that we only have Galloway's word about what he said to Mahmood on that occasion.

2. Galloway put it in writing. I saw him on TV saying something similar many years ago. It has always been his consistent position.

Righto. I've heard his show where he stated that the reason he most despises Irving, the Holocaust denier, is not that Irving denies the Holocaust, not because Irving probably likes the idea of the Holocaust, but because Irving might (Galloway's thinking) want another Holocaust... this time against Muslims. He then goes on to talk about how Holocaust denial should be illegal in the UK not to protect not Jews, but to protect Muslims. Now ask yourself what kind of sicko uses the Holocaust to push his own personal pro-Islamic agenda.

It isn't the position of a non-existent fantasy Galloway that right-wing nutters like to hate, but that's reality for you. Comparing Galloway to Griffin is a childish fail. Griffin has a track record of Holocaust denial; he has been recorded saying things at BNP meetings that he doesn't say when he gets a TV opportunity.

"Galloway in cleverer than Griffin shocker"

No such evidence exists regarding Galloway, indeed quite the opposite is true - he has said and done all sorts of stupid and embarrassing things while on national and/or international TV. Which is why it baffles me that people feel the need to make extra stuff up.

I haven't made anything up. I am simply discussing the allegation that you fabricated, that I said Galloway was a Holocaust denier. What I actually said we only have his word that a specific exchange of views took place (fact) and that you are naive to take on face value the words of a man such as Galloway whose walk is so at odds with his talk. Also fact.

Whatever weird pro-Muslim stuff I might think that he has said and done on various occasions, he does not think that he is anti-semitic. He is not a "Jew hater" just as he does not hate Germans because of the Holocaust. Or maybe he does hate Germans and I'm naive.

He'd hate his own granny if it got him one step up the ladder of power.

 

[Craig B]

Baron

Do you believe George Galloway's goal is genocide of the Jews? That he will do and has done lots of discreditable things in the interest of his own political aggrandisement I entirely accept. But is he intent on genocide of the Jews?

 

[baron]

Baron

Do you believe George Galloway's goal is genocide of the Jews? That he will do and has done lots of discreditable things in the interest of his own political aggrandisement I entirely accept. But is he intent on genocide of the Jews?

I wouldn't have thought so, not least because there are no votes in it.

 

[WildCat]

Answer my question,

You mean this one? "What do you think of Evangelical Christian or Jewish religious maniacs giving donations to illegal settlements in the occupied territories? That's a comparable misdeed on the ultra-Zionist side."[/quote]
It depends, do you consider annexed Jerusalem to be an illegal settlement?

And no, I don't think donating money to settlements is comparable to giving money to a genocidal terrorists. I guess I'm funny that way.

Israel will forcibly evict those hilltop settlements deep into the West Bank in a genuine peace deal, just as they did in Gaza. But then, look at how Gaza turned out.

And as giving money for a settlement

and also this since you have implied it. Do you believe that Galloway's goal is genocide of the Jews?

Galloway's goal is whatever is good for Galloway at the moment, and if that means handing sacks of cash to a self-proclaimed genocidal and widely declared terrorist group so be it.