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Forgiven for what, eactly?

AvalonXQ said:
Every free moral agent on Earth has willfully committed an evil act, in disobedience to God's will and our responsibilities to God.
That sin separates us from God. We must seek forgiveness to reconnect with God.
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How can you know that?
 
AvalonXQ said:
Sin is wrapped up in free will, and the ability to make moral choices. In the absence of moral choice, there is no value in moral goodness.
You can argue that it's wrong for God to allow the existence of genuinely free moral agents, but I would disagree.
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You're now speaking for god?
 
AvalonXQ said:
Every free moral agent on Earth has willfully committed an evil act, in disobedience to God's will and our responsibilities to God.
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How can an atheist have done anything in disobedience to God's will - even if there is a God?
 
Robin said:
How can an atheist have done anything in disobedience to God's will - even if there is a God?
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The idea is that everyone has done something that they know to be morally wrong, whether or not they recognize God.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Hey, lots of replies! :D


I don't know. But I know that our sin is based on our own actions, not the actions of others. Original Sin is not Biblical.


I don't know. The Biblical understanding of the afterlife is extremely sketchy.


Masturbation isn't a sin.



Not in this universe, He could not.
What the deal would be in some other universe, we don't know. It's not the one we're in.
But assuming that you can speculate on the nature of a universe different from this one, when we don't even begin to have any basis to render such conclusions, seems presumptuous to me.
Then whole idea that "God is omnipotent; he could have done things differently" doesn't sit with me -- because I'm confident that he couldn't have done things differently without changing the value of something valuable in the current system, and I have no idea what the implications of that are. Neither do you.
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Wow! Even the Pope isn't this infallible!
 
AvalonXQ said:
I'm explaining my beliefs which are based on my understanding of the Bible. No "direct pipeline" required; no special knowledge of all humans. Just a belief that the Bible is a true and accurate message from God.
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Including the part about slaughtering the population of any city where they worship a different God?
 
tsig said:
Wow! Even the Pope isn't this infallible!
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There's no need to be insulting. More than half my answer was "I don't know;" I wouldn't exactly consider what I've been saying to be pontificating. Just expressing my best understanding.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Yes, including those parts.
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So someone plunging a sword through the heart of a screaming, terrified child might be performing a morally perfect act?

But when I look at someone to whom I am not married and feel sexual attraction I am being unspeakably evil?

The difference between a good and evil act is whether God approves of it or not?

Also, can an atheist be said to be disobeying God?
 
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At all points in history, the present culture's morality does not match God's. Without bothering with the details, I have no doubt you will find two situations where your belief in their moral value is opposite from the Bible's. This doesn't particularly concern me. Should it?
Whether or not a sincere atheist can disobey God depends on whether you include an intent element in the term. Atheists have a duty to act in accordance with God's will, and can act in opposition to it. That's all I mean by disobeying.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Hey, lots of replies! :D


I don't know. But I know that our sin is based on our own actions, not the actions of others. Original Sin is not Biblical.


I don't know. The Biblical understanding of the afterlife is extremely sketchy.


Masturbation isn't a sin.

Not in this universe, He could not.
What the deal would be in some other universe, we don't know. It's not the one we're in.
But assuming that you can speculate on the nature of a universe different from this one, when we don't even begin to have any basis to render such conclusions, seems presumptuous to me.
Then whole idea that "God is omnipotent; he could have done things differently" doesn't sit with me -- because I'm confident that he couldn't have done things differently without changing the value of something valuable in the current system, and I have no idea what the implications of that are. Neither do you.
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AvalonXQ said:
There's no need to be insulting. More than half my answer was "I don't know;" I wouldn't exactly consider what I've been saying to be pontificating. Just expressing my best understanding.
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The hilited sentences sounds to me like you're saying you know what god wants.
 
AvalonXQ said:
Masturbation isn't a sin.
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While I would agree with you here, seeing that there's no such thing as sin, some of you brethren in other cross-cult sects do indeed believe that whacking off is a no-no.
 
Dr. Keith said:
So, in Heaven will you have sin or free will?
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Oh! Oh! Oh! I know! I know! One would have free will in heaven, but because one would be in the presence of the almighty, one would no longer have the will to sin. The blissfulness of his holiness will be greater than any sin here on earth.
 
Resume said:
While I would agree with you here, seeing that there's no such thing as sin, some of you brethren in other cross-cult sects do indeed believe that whacking off is a no-no.
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Onan was killed by god for spilling seed!
Fortunately, that god has been kicked out of this universe. :)
(Although if the story could be examined for real, one might find the usual "god speaks through me" murderous "holy man", like Samuel, who decided who needed to be killed.
 
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