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Gravy said:
Question for "skeptical:" should the U.S. military comply with the laws regarding the collection of information about individuals within the United States, or not?

I'm eager to hear your response.
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That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing.
 
uk_dave said:
If you believed that a chemical plant was contaminating a water supply near where you live, but the govt agencies refused to confirm this, you'd get together with your neighbours and fund a private analysis of the water, wouldn't you?
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Yes, but the movement aren't neighbors.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
That has absolutely nothing to do with what we were discussing.
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Want to take another shot at that (don't say I'm not fair)?

You posted this:

On September 15, 2005 Weldon asserted that he had identified an employee who had been ordered to destroy the 2.5 terabytes (TB) of data collected by Able Danger two years before the 9/11 attack.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Da...data_destroyed
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And I posted this:

Question for "skeptical:" should the U.S. military comply with the laws regarding the collection of information about individuals within the United States, or not?
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Again, I'm eager to hear your response. Yes or no?
 
scooby said:
I mean who's skeptics are they? Ours or theirs?
Because we've got enough of their skeptics haven't we?
I'd say the market was pretty saturated for this brand of 'skepticism'
All you have to do to hear this point of view is turn on the TV and watch Fox News.
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Scooby, despite what you believe, the skeptics on this forum are made up of conservatives, liberals, Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians, and many folks who aren't from the United States at all. I'm sure you've been told this in the past.

The difference between the JREF forum skeptics and the "troothers" is that we can put political predjudices aside and look at the actual evidence. I, for one, can't stand Fox News and the Bush Administration, yet I am able to look at 9/11 and not see one ounce of evidence for an inside job.

Another observation that might be useful - the join dates of the members on this forum. What are the odds that there was a rush of membership applications in the last two years - since films like Loose Change gained prominence? I notice most of them in here are recent.
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Useful? Once agian, you prove how anything and everything is a conspiracy in your mind. Your lack of basic logic is astounding.

Some are new members. Some have been here prior to the introduction of the conspiracy forum (thanks again to Delphi Ote - look what you've done!). I've been a member in these forums since before the conspiracy forums were added.

And what does this have to do with anything? Many of the newer posters came here because of the Loose Change Forums. Thier non-stop advertising for JREF and they're consistent banning of anyone who doesn't agree with their views has led to people joining a forum where differing opinions don't get you banned.

What are the odds that a group of people who all joined up in this period - all post in here, systematically challenging anyone who is skeptical of the official story in any way?
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See above. Name another forum where folks can discuss the ridiculousness of conspiracy theories with other professionals. Add in the fact that LCF and PFT advertise for the JREF and you have your answer. I'd say the odds are pretty good.

It's absolutely transparent - because the whole thing is the ultimate orwellian appeal to authority. If 911 was an inside job - well then surely the skeptics would expose it wouldn't they ... wouldn't they? And they haven't - therefore it cannot be.

Absolutely transparent.

That's why I take pleasure in pointing out that debate is not necessary - the people who know what is going on are a bit more sophisticated than this, and the wealth of information available now is enough for them to demonstrate to anyone the purpose of a group of shills and halfwits squatting this place pretending to be skeptics and to speak for the forum.
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There is a difference between the JREFers and the CTs. Intelligence, experience, and critical thinking. Take a gander at the thread in this forum where the regulars have listed their areas of expertise. There are architects, engineers, pilots, and people in other fields that directly relate to the incidents of 9/11. (By the way, I am a truss designer). All of these folks, including myself, are speaking from experience.

The CT forums don't have that at all. They have DJs, web designers, film-school rejects, high-school kids, and unemployed pilots. They have people making 'scale models' of the towers out of chickenwire, or construction paper tubes. The folks in the JREF forum understand mechanics, physics, and structures. The simple mistakes made by the CTs is based solely on ignorance, and they won't allow themselves to be corrected.

It isn't going to change anything.

911 is a one way trip - waking everybody up to the real state of the world we live in. I'm just spectating now, I only came here to post the BBC video and to laugh - but someone beat me to it.

Plenty more laughs to come though eh?
Take it easy.
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I find nothing funny about 9/11 at all.
 
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RAMS said:
Yes.

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/copernica/cadb/indexS.htm
No. I do not understand this gibberish.
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Oh I'm not challenging the fact you paint for NASA, just making a quip about the recent kidnapping debacle. And I've already seen your blog. Nice artwork.

If you can point us to a link to that photo in the archive - I've looked for the archive but it doesn't exactly leap to the fore, please do.

You see, it is important that the 911 Truth movement police itself and only utilise solid information in its education of the remaining public about what really happened on 911. It is important to eliminate red herrings and speculation about photographs that people generally aren't aware of the exact origin of, though this is a minor one.

So please, just give us the link, you'd be doing us a favour - or a link to the archive - if there's 9000 photo's in there I'd love a browse. There might even be some of the cleanup operation showing them using thermic lances to cut beams like this in an angled manner, as they do in demolitions. This I think would settle the argument - and would be something useful to confirm so that we can eliminate this red herring once and for all.

Either way, they're brave men in the photo whoever they are, climbing all over the place like that with their masks off, knowing there's asbestos everywhere.
 
VespaGuy said:
The difference between the JREF forum skeptics and the "troothers" is that we can put political predjudices aside and look at the actual evidence.

There is a difference between the JREFers and the CTs.

There are architects, engineers, pilots, and people in other fields that directly relate to the incidents of 9/11.

I find nothing funny about 9/11 at all.
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Prof Steve Jones was a lifelong Republican.

Name calling.

More name calling - the official story is a conspiracy theory - very weak that one.

"architects, engineers, pilots, and people in other fields that directly relate to the incidents of 9/11. " - yup - that'd be the 911 Truth movement.

No there is nothing funny about the 911 attack, what is funny, is the twists and turns that people will perform to disrupt honest discussion of the event.

In particular - what would your assessment be, of someone claiming to be a lifelong NY resident, extremely familiar with the city - who suddenly starts claiming that WTC7 is not WTC7 in an effort to discredit new information?

Would you ever listen to a person who claimed such a ludicrous thing - ever again?
 
I did come across this, holy angles - even Jesus is a truther.

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September 13, 2001 Steel cross found in WTC ruins.

http://www.september11news.com/Mysteries1.htm

Stick to painting?
 
What? No right angles were used in the construction of the WTC towers?


Stop changing the subject scooby, and answer the question that multiple people have asked you directly.
 
scooby said:
So please, just give us the link, you'd be doing us a favour - or a link to the archive - if there's 9000 photo's in there I'd love a browse. There might even be some of the cleanup operation showing them using thermic lances to cut beams like this in an angled manner, as they do in demolitions. This I think would settle the argument - and would be something useful to confirm so that we can eliminate this red herring once and for all.
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http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/showbig.asp?photoID=5102

Steelworkers at GZ cutting beams at an angle - see the beam right of centre with very similar residues below the cut. Thanks to debunking911.com for the link. This stuff really isn't difficult to find. "Do a little research. Google is a wonderful tool....", as somebody said round here recently.

Are you prepared, therefore, to consider this red herring well and truly eliminated?

Dave
 
Well, Scooby has accomplished his task.

He has thrown everyone off track, accused everyone of being part of the conspiracy, and has wasted everyone's time.

Typical CT behavior.

Until Scooby actually answers simple questions put to him, I am going to ignore him. He knows that with so many folk here, he lay his red herrings and distractions all over the place and never have to responsibly answer a single question.

Applying logic and standards to a conversation doesn't work with a conspiracy monkey, its not something they will adhere to.

Ask Scooby to answer the questions, and only that, do not allow him to spin out of everything and make it so that we have to disprove him and his silly theories, rather than HIM actually prove the stupid things he is saying.
 
Dave Rogers said:
http://hereisnewyork.org/gallery/showbig.asp?photoID=5102

Steelworkers at GZ cutting beams at an angle - see the beam right of centre with very similar residues below the cut. Thanks to debunking911.com for the link. This stuff really isn't difficult to find. "Do a little research. Google is a wonderful tool....", as somebody said round here recently.

Are you prepared, therefore, to consider this red herring well and truly eliminated?

Dave
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(CT Mode)

Pah! That is obviously a partial cut made by the thermite demolition charge, which even in the picture is still burning, hence the stream of sparks!

(/CT Mode)
 
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Even God's laughing - and firmly on board.
I think this photo is a sign - a sign of controlled demolition.

Anyone care to fabricate an explanation for what cut this beam at a perfect angle during the collapse?

God's thermic lance?
Divine preparation?

Did he smite it?
Because I think he's smiting you with this one.
 
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