Feds raid and close down text-based porn site

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http://xbiz.com/news_piece.php?id=10680

Online erotic stories host Red Rose Stories announced on its site Friday that the FBI had forced it to shut down.

According to a posting on the site’s main page, Red Rose Stories is facing obscenity charges for posting stories that allegedly involved bestiality, water sports, scat, bondage and domination, S&M, slavery, threesomes, orgies and sex with children.


According to Rosie, who runs the site, such topics have opened the door to her prosecution.


“Trust me on this. I found out the hard way. I never thought I'd be in trouble for the written word," Rosie told XBiz via email. “I had no pictures of a sexual nature on my site, adult or otherwise. [It seems] the only legal sex stories are those that involve a man and a woman consenting to missionary position sex in a dark room.”
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Okay, weird stuff, but where does the government get off shutting people down for written fiction?
 
The only story classification that the Feds *might* have just cause to object to is the sex with children one - and that seems rather iffy.

I suspect that everyone involved, including the FBI, knows the government has no authority to do this -- and that everyone also knows that the people whose rights are being violated don't have the time and resources to fight the government's actions in court.
 
Welcome to the new world order.

Searches without warrants.
Incarceration without legal council.
Secret trials.
Censorship.

Where have I seen this before?
 
Melendwyr said:
The only story classification that the Feds *might* have just cause to object to is the sex with children one - and that seems rather iffy.
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The Supreme Court's already ruled on that: there has to be an actual child involved. You can't exploit or abuse a child that doesn't exist.
 
shanek,

I was wondering where you'd gone hiding.

Tough luck for you. What will you do now?
 
If they can shut down a website because of text, can't they seize books? If you printed out the contents and published it as a book, would the feds, even under this administration, think they could interfere?

Perhaps this will wind up being another case where the nature of the internet needs to be explained in law.
 
This is nothing new

http://www.sjgames.com/SS/

Even before the patriot act the government could do whatever it wanted despite the law. Bottom line is they can do anything because there is no penalty for the governemt breaking the rules and they never have to answer for it. Lookup Kevin Mitnick for antoher example you can find countless others. We have been living in the New World Order for a few decades.
 
Another day in the life at the home of the brave and land of the free ...

Charlie (freedom is just another word) Monoxide
 
shanek said:
Now that's messed up: they can't even tell us what the offense was because that would mean committing the very same offense?
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What are the US privicy laws with regards to takeing explicit photos without that persons consent? In particular what is the legal situation if the person is for some reason incaperble of giving consent?
 
shanek said:
Now that's messed up: they can't even tell us what the offense was because that would mean committing the very same offense?
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That's going to present a challenge to the prosecutor during trial, if he can't even list the charges without being charged with obscenity himself!
 
geni said:
What are the US privicy laws with regards to takeing explicit photos without that persons consent? In particular what is the legal situation if the person is for some reason incaperble of giving consent?
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IANAL, and the laws about this are very messed up, but I think the basic rule is if it's on private property you need their permission, but if it's on public property or is visible from public/someone else's property it's OK. That's for basic photography; I have no idea how explicitness figures into it.
 
I'm trying to figure, if writing about having sex with children is illegal, what about singing about it?

For example, could Gary Puckett and the Union Gap get away with their song "Young Girl" these days? "Don't Stand So Close to Me" by the Police? She was Only 16 by Sam Cook/Dr Hook?
 
pgwenthold said:
I'm trying to figure, if writing about having sex with children is illegal, what about singing about it?

For example, could Gary Puckett and the Union Gap get away with their song "Young Girl" these days? "Don't Stand So Close to Me" by the Police? She was Only 16 by Sam Cook/Dr Hook?
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Probably legal. I mean this was never prosercuted (link not exactly safe for work):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Killer
 
pgwenthold said:
I'm trying to figure, if writing about having sex with children is illegal, what about singing about it?

For example, could Gary Puckett and the Union Gap get away with their song "Young Girl" these days? "Don't Stand So Close to Me" by the Police? She was Only 16 by Sam Cook/Dr Hook?
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Apparently Amazon.com can still sell Lolita.
 
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