Evolution vs. Creation (again)

[Zombified]

Basically though, we do see genes expressed in males that are abnormal because they don't have the second x chromosome to make up for any problems in the other x chromosome. Fragile X.... Haemophilia.... The women become carriers because they don't express the problem.

Not to mention color blindness, which affects 10% of men to some degree.

Remember that next time you wonder how he could possibly think that shirt goes with those pants...

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Follow evolution? Teach evolution? (except if someone teaches it...they arent' giving that story, except maybe in elementary school). I bailed out of my Biology Major in college just before Zoology and Evolution classes. I don't know how else to put it.
Jeepers

Learned evolution, know how it works. It's too bad you bailed. It's extremely interesting and zoology makes sense when you study them both together. Even botany does. Follow from single strands of cells type plants to things like volvox. Go through the evolution to the notochord and continue on until you see an actual spinal column. Fascinating.

http://www.members.shaw.ca/eostory/philosophical.html

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Stop it your giving me flashbacks to A level biology

That's as far as I got in college Just enough to understand a few things. If I was rich I would have some kind of degree in biology.

Flashbacks are good for you

 

[geni]

Flashbacks are good for you

No they are not. Do you want me to post some of my disection photos to prove it?

 

[Zombified]

Ick. I am suddenly reminded of why I majored in physics.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

No they are not. Do you want me to post some of my disection photos to prove it?

Cool! I loved zoology labs. This one time, in lab class, I got this cat who had a bazillion round worms throughout the digestive system. They took it away to get autoclaved. While I waited for my next dead cat, a classmate discvoverd his cat had been pregnant at death. We got to see the little kittens the size of my baby fingernail lining the uterus (not like a human uterus at all). So I got my fat fresh cat that had all this funky brown stuff all through its systems. Apparently it had hemorraged somewhere.

I didn't save any picture though, so will just have to bask in the memories

 

[pupdog]

And don't forget, besides mutations, evolution has been affected by gene duplication, lateral gene transfers, and transform of symbiotic critters into organelles (plastids & mitochondria).

 

[BillHoyt]

Chaos,

If y'all will permit me to re-frame the discussion here^*, what on earth is this professor doing subjecting you to creationist propaganda? Not only is it specious (as has been pointed out), but it is far afield from economics.

Is it too late for you to switch sections of this class and to file a formal protest with the chair of the economics department or with the dean? If so, you may want to tough it out, do your best, await your grade and then file formal protests.

He should teach economics, not lies about biology. If he wishes to test his biology ideas, let him wear catchers garb and give a colloquium over in bio. Hope he likes to make marinara; he'll have plenty of tomatos when he's done.


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^* Which discussion, btw, should properly focus more on population or theoretical population genetics.

 

[Yahweh]

Holy Krap! I'm trying to get off my computer and I keep getting message pop-ups that there's been another new reply on any one of a number of topics. It's Sunday! Don't you people have to to church or anything? (Just playing with ya!).

Jeepers

I recommend you to go Edit Options and change "Use 'Email Notification' by default?" to No.

(And no, we have nothing better to invest our lives into... )

 

[Chaos]

Next update:

I asked my tutor about the papers this morning. The said the evolution/creation example was his idea.

As you might guess, a discussion ensued. We spent about 90 minutes at it before having to call it a day, because lunchtime was already running short. Round two will be fought at the same time next monday.
He gave me some reading recommendations, and I gave him the URL of talkorigins and this forum.
(By the way, if you are reading this, my request stands - register and discuss with us. If you think discussing with me was fun, try talking with the rest of the people... )

So, no results yet; I guess we were just testing each other´s defenses I haven´t had such a good time for weeks.

 

[BillHoyt]

Next update:

I asked my tutor about the papers this morning. The said the evolution/creation example was his idea.

As you might guess, a discussion ensued. We spent about 90 minutes at it before having to call it a day, because lunchtime was already running short. Round two will be fought at the same time next monday.
He gave me some reading recommendations, and I gave him the URL of talkorigins and this forum.
(By the way, if you are reading this, my request stands - register and discuss with us. If you think discussing with me was fun, try talking with the rest of the people... )

So, no results yet; I guess we were just testing each other´s defenses I haven´t had such a good time for weeks.

I must've missed something. The tutor was responsible for this? Done with or without the profs' knowledge?

 

[Chaos]

I must've missed something. The tutor was responsible for this? Done with or without the profs' knowledge?

Well if I understood him correctly, the prof asked him to give an example of competing - and, according to the theory, equivalent - scientific theories. The tutor chose evolution vs. creation.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

Well if I understood him correctly, the prof asked him to give an example of competing - and, according to the theory, equivalent - scientific theories. The tutor chose evolution vs. creation.

Creation is not a scientific theory, and never was, and never was meant to be.

Does the professor know the tutor thinks this way? Maybe the tutor is not fit for the job

 

[BillHoyt]

Well if I understood him correctly, the prof asked him to give an example of competing - and, according to the theory, equivalent - scientific theories. The tutor chose evolution vs. creation.

And the prof let him? BTW, this whole thing sounds very pomo to me.

 

[Chaos]

Update:
I finally had the chance to talk with the professor. He says he was not aware of what the tutor had included in the papers, and he does in no way agree with creationists theories.

 

[Eos of the Eons]

So, is the tutor gonna get a spanking?

 

[Chaos]

So, is the tutor gonna get a spanking?

No idea. IIRC he´ll leave the university anyway by the end of this semester, so won´t do a tutorial again; I´m not sure if there is going to be any (real or figurative) spanking. I´d like to hear him retract that part of the papers, though.

 

[tracer]

Well if I understood him correctly, the prof asked him to give an example of competing - and, according to the theory, equivalent - scientific theories. The tutor chose evolution vs. creation.

Too bad he didn't choose conservation-of-energy vs. phlogiston.

 

[Art Vandelay]

"Evolution cannot be proven. We believe in in because the alternative would be an act of creaion by god, and that is unthinkable."

Translation: evolutionists only believe in it because they hate God. So much for objectivity.

Speaking of translation, you gave the impression that the original discussion wasn't in English. Is that correct?

 

[Chaos]

Speaking of translation, you gave the impression that the original discussion wasn't in English. Is that correct?

Yes. I´m studying in Germany (Frankfurt, to be exact), and it is customary here to have all lectures and tutorials (except Business English, of course) in German. Local customs and traditions, you know?