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End Times

phildonnia said:
Interesting. I wonder if something resembling the end times would follow if some nut-job attempted to remove the mosque in preparation for the temple?
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The Temple Mount is a hotly contested religious site in the Old City of Jerusalem.

It was the site of the first and second Jewish Temple in Jerusalem and according to Judaism is to be the site of the third and final Temple in the time of the Messiah. It is also the site of two major Muslim religious shrines, the Dome of the Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque, built in the 7th century. It is the holiest site in Judaism, the third holiest site in Islam, and has special significance to Christianity. It is thus one of the most contested religious sites in the world.
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When I was in Jerusalem back in the 70s the Dome_of_the_Rock was referred to as the Golden Dome mosque and the nearby Al Aqsa mosque was referred to as the Silver Dome mosque. Wikipedia corrects me that the Dome of the Rock is not, in fact, a mosque. It's more of a shrine. Interesting how you learn somethin new everyday. Being a shrine makes sense. It is incredibly ornate. It is a tribute, in my opinion, to the artistic ability of man and would be a tragic loss if anything happened to it. The Rock inside the shrine is significant in several ways.
The rock in the center of the dome is believed by Muslims to be the spot from which Muhammad was brought by night and from which he ascended through the heavens to God (I like that story which includes the Angel Gabriel and a winged horse
As he was resting in the Kaaba, Gabriel came to him, and brought him the winged steed Buraq, who carried him to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, where he alighted, tethered Buraq, and led other prophets in prayer. He then got back on Buraq, and was taken to the heavens, where he toured heaven and hell (described in some detail), and spoke with the earlier prophets, and with Allah. Allah told him to enjoin the Muslims to pray fifty times a day; however, Moses told Muhammad that they would never do it, and urged Muhammad to go back several times and ask for a reduction, until finally it was reduced to five times a day.)
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. ... The Jews believe this place to be the location where Abraham almost sacrificed his son Isaac at the command of the Lord, where Jacob saw the ladder to heaven, and within the boundaries of the innermost chamber of the Jewish Temple. Other Jewish traditions say it is the spot where the first stone was laid in the building of the world.

Essentially unchanged for more than thirteen centuries, the Dome of the Rock remains one of the world's most beautiful and enduring architectural treasures.
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I didn't have the same feeling of art and beauty for the Al Aqsa mosque (which I was not allowed to enter). It seemed drab and replaceable from the outside. Apparently it's huge enough to hold 5,000 worshippers.

Since part of the mosque's extended surrounding wall is the Western Wall venerated by Jews, this relatively tiny spot in Jerusalem can become the source of friction. There have been times when enraged Muslims worshipping at the mosque have hurled rocks downward at the Jews praying below at the
Western Wall.
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The thing about the Al Aqsa mosque is that it has been destroyed once and damaged other times by earthquakes which haven't damaged the Dome of the Rock only a short walk away. If an earthquake (an act of God) were to be the thing that leveled Al Aqsa I'm pretty sure that the Israelis would rebuild their Temple there. If it was leveled through an act of terror, a bombing, I think Israel would let the Muslim community rebuild the mosque.
 
SpaceFluffer said:
Thankfully, no. I just have this birthmark in the shape of three '9's on my head.
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You should join the UK police :D
 
JP1283 said:
I post about the stuff I worry about, and I do it on a skeptic's forum to help me realize that my fears are baseless. Sorry, but that's what religion has done to me and I need help overcoming it. I eagerly await further responses to this thread.
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You might want to look at the failed prophecies on this site.

I think these people are a bit weird, but they seem to be thorough.
 
Originally posted by Upchurch
Well, if it's the Biblical end times you're worried about, consider that it was supposed to happen during Jesus's generation. It didn't. Nor did it happen in the subsequent 199 generations.
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You mean we are the 200th generation since Jesus' time? But that's a nice round number! This is it! We're all going to die! Run for the hills!

I'm sure I remember hearring about some company offering 'Rapture Insurance'...If not, I think I might set something up offering this handy piece of financial prudence. And you could sell it on the basis that it might make it easier on those unfortunate heathen familiy members to get some money out of you after you're taken up, which is very forgiving of you - so you're even MORE likely to get swept up in the Rapture! It's win-win all round.

A $10 policy in return for a nice certificate sounds pretty fair to me.
 
Dr Adequate said:
You might want to look at the failed prophecies on this site.
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I found that site highly adequate.

Once again your powers of adequacy present to the mind an illumination brighter than the light of 100 new moons.
 
Upchurch said:
Nor did it happen in the subsequent 199 generations.
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Even though for the whole time people were so depraved and full of sin that the average time between generations was 9.92 years.
 
Dr Adequate said:
You might want to look at the failed prophecies on this site.
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And, by the way, that list is not comprehensive. For example, the Armageddon prediction of the Waldesian heresy (about 1327, IIRC) is missing from it.
 
You only really need to worry when there is a three year long winter, and a wolf swallows the sun.:D
 
There is a 10 nation military alliance in Europe, called the WEU, formed under the Brussels Treaty.

This alliance has given emergency police, and miltary powers to their Secretary General with a legal document called "Reccomendation 666". See it here: http://www.assemblee-ueo.org/en/documents/sessions_ordinaires/txt/2000/rec666.html

This same Secretary General has also taken the office of High Representative for the Common Foreign Security Policy of the entire EU. The legal form creating that office is "Document #666". See it here:http://europa.eu.int/abc/doc/off/rg/en/1998/x0666.htm

This same person, holding both of these offices, is mediating a 7 year treaty, called the European Neighborhood policy, with many Mediteranian countries. See it here: http://europa.eu.int/comm/world/enp/index_en.htm

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Daniel 9:27

And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Revelation 13:1

Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. Revelation 13:18
 
Oohhhh. Data mining! What fun!!! :)

Ummm, did you also know that there is a "Recommendation 665" and "Recommendation 667"! My GOD! Signs of the beast. Oh, nevermind.

The Recommendations go up to and above 790, but I'm sure you ignored that.

Revelations is relevant to reality and my a-hole stores the Taj-Mahal...
 
Those other reccomendations do not give emergency military powers to that one man. Rec. 666 does.

Out of all those reccomendations, what are the odds that power from 10 nations are given to that one man, according to Bible prophecy, with Rec #666...not 667, or 668?

And the Document which also created his office, also bearing 666?

Thats not one, but TWO seperate instances of 666 being directly related to this mans authority.
 
Richard G said:
Those other reccomendations do not give emergency military powers to that one man. Rec. 666 does.
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Bah, don't worry about those Euros. The letters of my name, when converted to ASCII, add up to 666 (well, actually 1010011010, but who's counting?). I am clearly the Antichrist. Rather than ending the world, however, I have decided to convert it into a 24 hour All-You-Can-Eat Bar-B-Q Stand/Discotheque/Erotically Carved Soaps Emporium. Bring your appetite for meat, dancing, and pervert soap, and your Visa. It's everywhere you want to be.
 
JP1283 said:
Okay, so I'm starting to get freaked out.

We're having record-breaking weather all over the place, we're having wars and rumours of wars, earthquakes, natural disasters like tsunamis, famines, nation rising against nation...everything that is said to be happen in the ET's is happening. How can I know that we're not in the End Times?
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By the severe lack of impish looking creatures flying around all the time, pulling your hair and prodding you and such.
 
Richard G said:
Those other reccomendations do not give emergency military powers to that one man. Rec. 666 does.

Out of all those reccomendations, what are the odds that power from 10 nations are given to that one man, according to Bible prophecy, with Rec #666...not 667, or 668?

And the Document which also created his office, also bearing 666?

Thats not one, but TWO seperate instances of 666 being directly related to this mans authority.
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When Europe (shouldn't that be Magog, led by Gog?) invades Israel, pull the Taj-Mahal outta my a$$! Most literal fundies point to Russia as Magog. Gears haven't changed much since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Religious folk were never very quick to change.

Numerology and prophecy suffer from two fallacies:

- Self-fulfilling prophecy. It's easy to bend things towards known prophetic expectations.

- Vagueness and flexibility. It is easy to attribute almost any significant event or number to a prophecy with enough twiddling. Randi's expertise in Nostradamus should provide enough in that respect.
 
Define "end times." The end of what? By modern standards, the mass of men have lived miserable lives for almost all of history, where even death was seen as an escape to a better place.

End times? Hah! World War III would be like somebody trying to kill ants by stomping on an ant hill.
 
The Rapture Index, what a hoot! I wonder how the people in Niger would feel, seeing that "interest rates" carry the same weight as "famine"?
 
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