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Effect of Hamas attack on Israeli politics?

crescent said:
Hamas has been very outspoken in expressing how happy is it that Russia officially licensed the manufacture of AK-47s in Gaza. Russia is also happily supporting Iran, and Hamas has been very vocal about how useful Iranian support has been for the Hamas missile manufacturing industry.

I am thinking that the current situation could result in Israel looking upon Russia with greater distrust, and being more supportive of Ukraine.

Russian heritage Israelis may be examining their assumptions about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

I would not be surprised if Israel starts to be much more supportive of Ukraine, including export of some advanced weapons systems.
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dudalb said:
Which is why Bibi;s attempts to get on the good side of Putin so ridiculous.
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I talked a little about this in the Ukraine threads but didn't want to go into a lot of details as to not derail them. But since this thread is about Israeli politics, I'll dive into the subject a bit more.


If this thread isn't clear enough, I am by no means a supporter for Bibi, but in this case his actions were correct.

First, note that Israel did give a lot of aid to Ukraine. There was a lot more aid given than is publicly known - and I can attest to this from both the Israeli and the Ukraine sides. The issue is that one of the issues was that Israel couldn't be seen as giving that aid, so a lot of it was done through either third parties or just in hush-hush.

Most likely Putin knows about this, the main issue was to hide it from the press.

Second, they do not kiss Putin's behind. There's a slight difference here. They were mostly trying just not to piss him off. They never justified his actions nor did they talk about "loses on both sides" and all those lovely things we see for Hamas these days.


This isn't a semantic issue.
The US has limits what it can do in the Ukraine\Russia war because of Nuclear threats.
For Israel, the line is closer because Putin has direct threats over it.
He is not just a big supporter of the Iran infrastructure, but he is also the only reason Asad is still alive. He controls a lot of what is going on in the middle east. If he gives the order? The place is on fire.
On the other hand, it is known that Israel had to form attacks against military installations in both Syria and Iran and if it wasn't for Putin threatening to take his funding away, a war might have broken up.
So Israel doesn't support him, but they can't go to war with him either.



As for why Putin turns on Israel now? Reason is pretty much obvious - Putin wants war in the middle east so that the US and EU will have to pick sides and every dime they spend on that war is a dime not going to Ukraine.
 
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Since the original topic was how Israeli politics would be affected -

They released the latest polls. I do have to give a disclaimer - Israeli polls are very much known to be off. A lot of it has to do with issues of surveying specific demographics, some of it has to do with issues of people admitting they lied in polls and some of it has to do with intentional bias.

But it's still the best we got.

80% claim that Bibi should take responsibility for the current state.
including 69% of people who claimed to have voted for him.

12% don't know
8% think that he doesn't


On the question of who is most suitable to be PM, Bibi is getting 28% (he usually scores closer to 30-50 area). This time Gantz got 48%.

Current coalition seats based on poll:
Likud 18
Shas 8 (Sfaredic Haridic)
Yahadut Hatora 7 (Ashkenazi Haridic)
Otzma Yehudit 5 (the extreme far right)
Yahadut Zionist 5 (majorly right, mostly religous sector)

Overall 43 seats out of 120.

So yes, Bibi is taking some serious heat.
But again, don't count him out yet. He always get more than the polls give him.

Labor party are still unable to even remotely scratch the minimal votes required. However the odds of them dropping out is small. They might join another party (likely Meretz) or they will just flat out waste votes as usual.

It's also crystal clear at this point that Bennet will be making a comeback as he runs around every camera he can get.

Him coming back into things is likely to take votes from both sides and shake things up.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I have to wonder why the population voted Bibi in in the first place?
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In case it wasn't clear from the other responses, Israelis don't for a candidate; they vote for a party. Every citizen gets one vote, and they vote for the party of their choice. Seats in the Knesset are then assigned to each party in proportion to the number of votes that party got. The parties themselves decide who those seats will be given to. Of course, Bibi would be assured a Likud party seat. The President then nominates a prime minister designate from among the party leaders in the Knesset, who must form a coalition government and be affirmed as Prime Minister by the Knesset.
 
the worse a mess Bibi can make in Gaza, the less the chance there is for a more moderate coalition to fix it.

seeing others fail will make his failure looks less bad.
 
I just saw the polls, and it seems as though a Devout Irish Catholic is now the most popular politician in Israel.
 
jt512 said:
The President then nominates a prime minister designate from among the party leaders in the Knesset, who must form a coalition government and be affirmed as Prime Minister by the Knesset.
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Slight nitpick here, the president picks a candidate that has the best odds of forming a government. However, said candidate does not need to be a prime minister themselves.

The previous government was formed after the president gave Lapid the mandate - but he formed a government with Bennet as PM.

A similar thing happened during Ben Gurion's second term.
 
GrandMasterFox said:
Slight nitpick here, the president picks a candidate that has the best odds of forming a government. However, said candidate does not need to be a prime minister themselves.

The previous government was formed after the president gave Lapid the mandate - but he formed a government with Bennet as PM.

A similar thing happened during Ben Gurion's second term.
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Thanks.
 
Yes, there's an astounding amount of talk of his outfit

Honestly, I don't think there's a need to rule out that he did the change so that people would just talk about the change and not say... he's complete incompetence or continual refusal for an even conjecture that he has any responsibility.
 
Too early to start Bibi-bashing, considering what he's got coming after this war.
Ehud Barak was interviewed just this Sunday morning on one of the network tv talk shows, and specifically addressed the mass dissatisfaction and mistrust the Israeli public has for the PM at this stage, right before a ground incursion. Barak noted that the addition of Gantz to the decision-making 'war cabinet' body provides a better feeling of competence for the task at hand.
 
webfusion said:
Too early to start Bibi-bashing, considering what he's got coming after this war.
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It's already way passed the time to do it.
The man is an incompetent buffoon that does nothing out of his own self interest.

You really don't know much how vile that man is.
The man makes press conferences without giving a heads up to the people what it's about making everyone on edge and then says nothing other than pitiful attempts at glory hogging and blaming everyone else. Solely because other people got some headlines.

The man does not answer a single question by reporters. Just gives his empty statements and walks away.

The man never bothered taking the time to talk to the victims or their family (that Biden did - multiple times already including before his visit) and when he finally bothered, he literally brought stooges to have a nice photo op.

The man appointed nothing but bootlickers who have been shown time and time again to be completely inadequate other than being his bootlickers - not just in the past but in the present. Like appointing Gal Hirsch - a man who was found at fault time and time again at everything he does as the person in charge of the dealing with the hostages.
This scumbag was called into a talk to speaking with other countries delegation that came to see how they can help - and just started screaming at them for an hour it's all their fault because of Oslo. Seriously.

Also, said bootlicker? Got a massive salary with his position, while there is a campaign calling for paramedics and social workers to help - for free.

I can go on here for hours.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
No, I don't like Bibi, and the majority of the the people in Israel agree with me.

Why don't you?
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I hate Bibi with a passion, and my posting history proves it.
But you suggest that Isreal has no right to defend itself as long as Bibi is in power.That is like saying because the US had Jim Crow, we had no right to respond to Pearl Harbor.
 
GrandMasterFox said:
It's already way passed the time to do it.
The man is an incompetent buffoon that does nothing out of his own self interest.

You really don't know much how vile that man is.
The man makes press conferences without giving a heads up to the people what it's about making everyone on edge and then says nothing other than pitiful attempts at glory hogging and blaming everyone else. Solely because other people got some headlines.

The man does not answer a single question by reporters. Just gives his empty statements and walks away.

The man never bothered taking the time to talk to the victims or their family (that Biden did - multiple times already including before his visit) and when he finally bothered, he literally brought stooges to have a nice photo op.

The man appointed nothing but bootlickers who have been shown time and time again to be completely inadequate other than being his bootlickers - not just in the past but in the present. Like appointing Gal Hirsch - a man who was found at fault time and time again at everything he does as the person in charge of the dealing with the hostages.
This scumbag was called into a talk to speaking with other countries delegation that came to see how they can help - and just started screaming at them for an hour it's all their fault because of Oslo. Seriously.

Also, said bootlicker? Got a massive salary with his position, while there is a campaign calling for paramedics and social workers to help - for free.

I can go on here for hours.
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I always found his constant cashing in on his dead brother, a genuine hero, to be more then a little disgusting
 
dudalb said:
I always found his constant cashing in on his dead brother, a genuine hero, to be more then a little disgusting
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Oh, I can go on for hours on why he is so repulsive as a human being regardless of politics. But I'd rather not going into personal attacks on his character - his deeds in office (and lack thereof) are already more than enough to fill out multiple threads.
 
dudalb said:
I hate Bibi with a passion, and my posting history proves it.
But you suggest that Isreal has no right to defend itself as long as Bibi is in power.That is like saying because the US had Jim Crow, we had no right to respond to Pearl Harbor.
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I rate this as a blatant LIE.

You have nothing but your projection to base this one.

I think your problem is that you are convinced that whatever Israel does is Defence, even if it doesn't actually increase the security of the State or its citizens.
 
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