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Effect of Hamas attack on Israeli politics?

I thnk some Isrealis who liked Trump are finding out that Trump is always about Trump; he has no loyalty. Or tather Loyalty is a one way street.
 
It's because Netanyahu congratulated Biden on his victory. He'd like to praise Hamas as well, but that's a bit too risky for him right now.

Actually Trump , in his speech,blasted Bibi for not being suffiecntly grateful when Trump took out that Iranian General (whose name I know but cannot spell right of the top of my head) in 2020.
irony is that was one of the very, very, very, few things he did I supported.
 
Actually Trump , in his speech,blasted Bibi for not being suffiecntly grateful when Trump took out that Iranian General (whose name I know but cannot spell right of the top of my head) in 2020.
irony is that was one of the very, very, very, few things he did I supported.

I heard him say that, I just don't believe him.
 
Hamas has been very outspoken in expressing how happy is it that Russia officially licensed the manufacture of AK-47s in Gaza. Russia is also happily supporting Iran, and Hamas has been very vocal about how useful Iranian support has been for the Hamas missile manufacturing industry.

I am thinking that the current situation could result in Israel looking upon Russia with greater distrust, and being more supportive of Ukraine.

Russian heritage Israelis may be examining their assumptions about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

I would not be surprised if Israel starts to be much more supportive of Ukraine, including export of some advanced weapons systems.
 
Hamas has been very outspoken in expressing how happy is it that Russia officially licensed the manufacture of AK-47s in Gaza. Russia is also happily supporting Iran, and Hamas has been very vocal about how useful Iranian support has been for the Hamas missile manufacturing industry.

I am thinking that the current situation could result in Israel looking upon Russia with greater distrust, and being more supportive of Ukraine.

Russian heritage Israelis may be examining their assumptions about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

I would not be surprised if Israel starts to be much more supportive of Ukraine, including export of some advanced weapons systems.

So Bibi's attempts to kiss up up Putin did not work?
 
So Bibi's attempts to kiss up up Putin did not work?

Eh, Who knows?

Authoritarians tend to like other authoritarians.

Right up until they don't.

It gets weird, leaders like that can manage to form all sorts of weird policy positions.
 
Hamas has been very outspoken in expressing how happy is it that Russia officially licensed the manufacture of AK-47s in Gaza. Russia is also happily supporting Iran, and Hamas has been very vocal about how useful Iranian support has been for the Hamas missile manufacturing industry.

I am thinking that the current situation could result in Israel looking upon Russia with greater distrust, and being more supportive of Ukraine.

Russian heritage Israelis may be examining their assumptions about the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

I would not be surprised if Israel starts to be much more supportive of Ukraine, including export of some advanced weapons systems.

Have you been living under a rock? USSR and Russia have been supporting Israel's enemies for 75 years. And Israeli's of Russian heritage are Israelis now because of abuse by Russia/USSR.
 
Have you been living under a rock? USSR and Russia have been supporting Israel's enemies for 75 years. And Israeli's of Russian heritage are Israelis now because of abuse by Russia/USSR.

Which is why Bibi;s attempts to get on the good side of Putin so ridiculous.
 
Just to complete the circular firing squad of petulant statecraft, don't forget the Saudis joined BRICS in some part as a cold shoulder to us for wagging our finger at MbS chopping a guy up.

The older I get, the more convinced I am that when they all get together in the big UN room, you've got about the same total maturity as an average high school hallway in passing period.
 
How much of this is true?

It is from Haaretz, and has been alluded to already in other parts.

Between 2012 and 2018, Netanyahu gave Qatar approval to transfer a cumulative sum of about a billion dollars to Gaza, at least half of which reached Hamas, including its military wing. According to the Jerusalem Post, in a private meeting with members of his Likud party on March 11, 2019, Netanyahu explained the reckless step as follows: The money transfer is part of the strategy to divide the Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank. Anyone who opposes the establishment of a Palestinian state needs to support the transfer of the money from Qatar to Hamas. In that way, we will foil the establishment of a Palestinian state (as reported in former cabinet member Haim Ramon’s Hebrew-language book “Neged Haruach”, p. 417)

In an interview with the Ynet news website on May 5, 2019, Netanyahu associate Gershon Hacohen, a major general in reserves, said, “We need to tell the truth. Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”

In a tweet on May 20, 2019, Channel 13 quoted Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak saying: “Netanyahu isn’t interested in the two-state solution. Rather, he wants to separate Gaza from the West Bank, as he told me at the end of 2010.” Mubarak said that during an interview with the Kuwaiti daily Al-Anba.

It’s worth dwelling on the horrifying significance of these remarks. An Israeli prime minister himself knowingly and calculatingly cultivated one of Israel’s most bitter and fanatic foes, an enemy whose declared aim is to destroy the country. And he did it to prevent the horror scenario from his standpoint of a return to Israeli-Palestinian negotiations. Netanyahu recklessly gambled on the lives of Israelis, and in fact, last Shabbat, more than 1,000 of them paid the price of that foolish gamble with their lives.

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One last thing that I'll add - a big reason why this was so important for Levin and the coalition partners to rush the legal reforms so much is that once Bibi is removed from office (due to his legal case or just nature taking its course... The man is 73 years old and had some health issues) - there is absolutely no idea for anyone how the country would be like.

The boycott will not be in effect and the left will be transformed entirely. The arabs are now officially players on the map since last government.

Too many people inside the Likud think they will take power next, which means a big battle between them and likelihood of some of the losers leaving to create new parties.

So the grounds will be very unstable and unpredictable.


There is also the issue that in 2019, Bibi raised the unity government due to the crisis (Covid) and in order to get Gantz to agree and form a unity government, he made a deal with him and the rest of the coalition agreed to be the guarantees that Bibi will not backstab him.

Of course Bibi stabbed him - not even in the back and the coalition was furious about it as he pretty much made their word completely worthless and reduced their words for future deals.

Nobody trusts him at the moment. One of his "partners" was recently caught on tape calling him a "lier that is the son of a lier" (in the son of a B-word sense)

His partners didn't trust him to actually keep his word that he will give them the reforms he promised. Which is why they went to someone else (Levin) and also demanded that this time they all wanted payment up front.


So yeah, Bibi is responsible for this mess. But he is not the leading force of it.

Thank you for your informative posts.

Clearly the right wing are taking the opportunity to cause mischief on the West Bank. If they can wind up the Palestinians to cause trouble then they can justify greater restrictions in the West bank and expansion of settlements.
 
The Jerusalem Post is a very conservative Isreali newspaper, and in a Poll 805 of it's readers blame Bibi for the intellgence failure. if he doing that badly with his core costituincey, that, after the crisis has passed, he is toast.

The most recent poll that came out after the terrorist attack (Oct 13) showed that Bibi's block went down to 42 seats (currently 64 out of 120)
His party practically cut in half.

However... Again, as I said, don't count him out yet. First, sadly, Israeli polls tend to be extremely unreliable for many reasons


It's possible when the next election he will lose. But he will go down fighting.

Bibi has this thing we call in Hebrew "Mechonat Haraal" a rough translation would be the "poison machine". It is a very well crafted and funded personal propaganda machine that operates 24\7 and at lightning speed.

It includes not only high profile public figures, commentators and "reporters". Heck he even has his own propaganda channel (24). Think Fox News, but actually receiving public money and governmental benefits (including rushed laws they tried to push now - during the crisis).
Also to anyone who forgot, 2 out of 3 of his legal cases are about how he attempted to interfere and hold the media and get news publishers pretty much do his bidding.

It also includes a massive amount of social media accounts (real people and fake ones) as well as a huge group of activists that do his biddings and go do protests in his honor. Said activists were proven time and time again to have not just direct contact with him but actually going directly to and from his own home.

You can see that it is working. Most stories that are being published now that even mention a hint of government inefficacy (and there are more than just hints, there are full blown walkthroughs at this point) you will see dozens of responses screaming "It's Oslo fault, it's the separation from Gaza fault, it's because the previous government has Muslim brotherhood people in it" and what not. Likely mostly bots, but people will hear that in the streets.

All coalition partners have clear and strict order to never ever take any responsibility. Most of the army chief officials have admitted their faults. The government? 0(!)
The only one to throw a line was Kish (Minister of Education) and he backtracked it almost instantly the same day. They avoid the question from reporters constantly.

They also have one military expert that claims that only Bibi listened to him all along and nobody else did - something that can't seem to be verified and every other security experts says otherwise. But Bibi's followers are humans and like most humans - when they have news sources that tell them what they want to hear, they will follow them no matter what.

He isn't called "The Magician" for nothing. He is a master of creating these types of deception.

Here is an example we had in the recent week. I kid you not, true story, but be warned it might make your blood sizzle.

He was going for a photo op with the family members of the missing victims. He knew in advance that they are going to be extremely hostile towards him (no kidding...). Then when the meeting was taking place, they had several people come to him there and tell him how much they love and worship him and they know that everything will be fine if he is in the lead.

Naturally, he only released that part in his campaigning. However, the victim family were completely baffled as to who those people are. As they started asking around, those people were not victim families at all. They were stooges that came to the photo op just so he can show that people support him.

Yes, he did that in during a meeting with actual victim families.

As I said, the man cares about nothing but his own personal survivability and he will use every trick in the book to get it.
Heck, he probably could write a dozen new books on how to do it.
 
I thnk some Isrealis who liked Trump are finding out that Trump is always about Trump; he has no loyalty. Or tather Loyalty is a one way street.
And Trump found out the same about Bibi :D
That is their main source of issues with each other.

It's true by the way. A lot of people called Trump as one of Israeli's best friends in the US in many years. Even some of the left commentators said that.

Keep in mind that this does not mean they actually like Trump as a person. I remember right after he was elected, that Jim Jefferies had a show here. And he tried to do some Trump jokes and was clearly careful until everyone cheered. Then he went something like "wow, I was warned you people like him" and then went full blown on him.


To be fair here, it also partially true that many democratic presidents in the US had issues with Israel. Obama isn't very well liked here because of his foreign policies and Clinton has even flat out admitted to attempting to sway the elections here during the 96 elections.



But yeah, right now Biden is being praised and Trump is getting massive heat in Israel.
 

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