Merged [Ed] Convicted Lockerbie bomber released

Cainkane1 said:
The punishment should fit the crime even if a person changes. How do you know if a person has actually changed or not? There have been many parolees who after serving many years in prison and making people think they're a changed person who committed a murder or whatever soon after they were released.

Some people may believe this man is innocent and thats another story. However he was convicted and placed in prison for killing over 200 innocent people. Let him get his medical care behind bars. If he had killed that many people in Georgia where I live he'd have gone under the meedle by now and rightly so.
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Some countries have a rather more enlightened view of the penal system...
 
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Cainkane1 said:
If he had killed that many people in Georgia where I live he'd have gone under the meedle by now and rightly so.
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Fiona said:
That is your legal system and the decision is for you to make: this is ours and it is ours.
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I can't agree Fiona, punishment by meedle sounds so barbaric it cries out for international condemnation, if only against the abuse of meedles.
 
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It is barbaric imo too, Guybrush, But the us is a sovereign nation and while I can abhor the decisions they take and the thinking behind it I believe that is their right. I believe that it is quite dangerous to lose respect for sovereignty

That is not to say we cannot criticise, just as the us can criticise our decisions. They have done so and that is fine with me so long as it is all they (and we) do
 
Fiona said:
It is barbaric imo too, Guybrush, But the us is a sovereign nation and while I can abhor the decisions they take and the thinking behind it I believe that is their right. I believe that it is quite dangerous to lose respect for sovereignty

That is not to say we cannot criticise, just as the us can criticise our decisions. They have done so and that is fine with me so long as it is all they (and we) do
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Sovereignity be damned! Use of meedles is an offence which would justify invasion!
 
Professor Yaffle said:
I found it very interesting to read the series of articles by Erwin James (convicted murderer and released lifer) in this area.
http://erwinjames.co.uk/biog.html
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Interesting. Of course, then there are experiences like this:

Jack Abbott was an American career criminal and the book he wrote, In the Belly of the Beast consists of his letters to Norman Mailer about his experiences in what Abbott saw as a brutal and unjust prison system. Mailer supported Abbott's successful bid for parole in 1981, the year that In the Belly of the Beast was published.

The book was very successful and on July 19, 1981, the New York Times published a rave review of it. However, the day before, Abbott had committed murder during a row with a waiter at a restaurant called Binibon on 2nd Avenue in the East Village. Abbott was eventually arrested and returned to prison for the rest of his life until his suicide in 2002.
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Alt+F4 said:
I don't know if Megrahi is guilty or innocent but you're delusional if you believe the British government was totally honest about what went on here or with the entire Lockerbie prosecution.

What other prisoner in a Scottish prison is allowed to have medical specialists flown in from other countries? Wake up, your government is in bed with the Libyans and don't even know it.
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You have conflated the British and Scottish Govts. Scottish justice laws along with many other things are seperate and distinct from English law.

This was a matter for the Scottish govt and they dealt with it under existing laws. Murderers have been relased in the past under this law. I believe three is the number while twenty three criminals in the last 10 years have also been released under this law.

Why should Megrahi be treated any different to them?
 
Hey, EJ, what is your opinion of the fact that Tony Blair cut this deal with Libya without consulting with the Scottish government, who actually held jurisdiction in the case?

Is this a case of standing up to US bullying or a case of folding to English bullying?
 
What deal? Do you mean the prisoner transfer arrangements? If you do then the decision was not to release on those grounds
 
Donal said:
Hey, EJ, what is your opinion of the fact that Tony Blair cut this deal with Libya without consulting with the Scottish government, who actually held jurisdiction in the case?

Is this a case of standing up to US bullying or a case of folding to English bullying?
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Incorrect again.
 
Fiona said:
It is barbaric imo too, Guybrush, But the us is a sovereign nation and while I can abhor the decisions they take and the thinking behind it I believe that is their right. I believe that it is quite dangerous to lose respect for sovereignty

That is not to say we cannot criticise, just as the us can criticise our decisions. They have done so and that is fine with me so long as it is all they (and we) do
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Not every state in the USA has the death penalty. Jeffrey Dahmer was in Wisconsin and they have no death penalty. States such as Texas and Georgia however do have the penalty. I would not be opposed to life with no parole if I knew for a fact that some murderer wouldn't be released for some absurd reason.

The BTK killer Dennis Rader is safely tucked away in prison for the rest of his life and he has to stay locked up in his cell for his own safety. This has to be worse than being executed.

Here in Georgia we had a man executed for kidnapping, murdering and strangling a eleven year old girl. After many years in protective custody he was executed and he said as he went to the gurney that being dead was better than being locked up in a closet sized cell. So maybe he got off easy.
 
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Any of the USA citizens care to comment on the early release of Irish terrorists from jail under the Good Friday agreements?

Not many of them had cancer.
 
funk de fino said:
Incorrect again.
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1) when was I incorrect prior to this?

2) what part? Did Tony Blair not negotiate a Memorandum of Understanding with Libya and several MidEast nations? About Scotland having jurisdiction in the case? About the MoU possibly influencing the release (it has previsions regarding extraditing prisoners)?

If you could, you know, clarify. Two word statements with no backing what so ever do nothing to progress the discussion.
 
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funk de fino said:
Any of the USA citizens care to comment on the early release of Irish terrorists from jail under the Good Friday agreements?

Not many of them had cancer.
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Were they federal prisoners? Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the UK part of the Good Friday accords? I'm pretty sure they'd have to sign off on that sort of thing.
 
Donal said:
1) when was I incorrect prior to this?

2) what part? Did Tony Blair not negotiate a Memorandum of Understanding with Libya and several MidEast nations? About Scotland having jurisdiction in the case? About the MoU possibly influencing the release (it has previsions regarding extraditing prisoners)?

If you could, you know, clarify. Two word statements with no backing what so ever do nothing to progress the discussion.
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here

donal said:
That is why it is called "life in prison".
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And also the fact that the Tony Blair thing had nothing to do with this release. Prison transfer is not happening.
 
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