Merged [Ed] Convicted Lockerbie bomber released

Professor Yaffle said:
The US also has provisions for release on compassionate grounds. This isn't just a Scottish or UK thing.
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Very true, but hard to get. I also can't figure out why in the U.S. we also give people life sentences then eventually let them out. Prison overcrowding I'd guess.
 
Alt+F4 said:
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What other prisoner in a Scottish prison is allowed to have medical specialists flown in from other countries? Wake up, your government is in bed with the Libyans and don't even know it.
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Any prisoner in similar circumstances could have this, access to health care is recognised as a basic human right in the UK.
 
Professor Yaffle said:
The US also has provisions for release on compassionate grounds. This isn't just a Scottish or UK thing.
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What are you talking about? The US is a horrible dictatorship that simply wants to plunge the world into the dark ages. We are all about building an empire and we have had nothing to do with the development of Western Liberal Civilization.

This is made plainly evident by the gall of Hillary Clinton, our #2 diplomat, offering an opinion about the status of a man accused of murdering 180 Americans.
 
E.J.Armstrong said:
Au contraire. We're not actually crying. We're celebrating. The Usan rabid right has just demonstrated to the Scottish people just how extreme it is what with its lack of compassion and lies about the NHS. The Usan right does not share our values. Values such as compassion and honesty.

Three cheers for the Scottish government.

Hip hip hooray

Hip hip hooray

Hip hip hooray.

Pip pip.
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"Scottish government"? I had no idea your English conquerors allowed a puppet government to pretend to run their northernmost Bantustan! How quaint! Does it help? Does it make it feel sometimes like it's a real country?
 
Donal said:
What are you talking about? The US is a horrible dictatorship that simply wants to plunge the world into the dark ages. We are all about building an empire and we have had nothing to do with the development of Western Liberal Civilization.

This is made plainly evident by the gall of Hillary Clinton, our #2 diplomat, offering an opinion about the status of a man accused convicted of murdering 180 Americans.
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Hope you don't mind but I've corrected your post above.
 
Darat said:
He or she would get the same access to world class health care as any other citizen of the UK is entitled to.
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Do folks serving life sentences in the UK get the same health care as those on "the outside"? Would they be entitled to say a liver transplant?

If an American or Canadian was convicted of mass murder in Scotland, got cancer, and had the money to fly in their own cancer specialist from back home, would this be allowed?
 
Alt+F4 said:
Do folks serving life sentences in the UK get the same health care as those on "the outside"? Would they be entitled to say a liver transplant?

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Yes. (ETA: I should add that there are some problems associated with some prisoners getting the correct treatment at times because of the complexities of the arrangements required - having to be guarded , providing protecting for medical staff and so on - so my answer is more about the underlying principle.)

Surely this is the same in the USA?

Alt+F4 said:
If an American or Canadian was convicted of mass murder in Scotland, got cancer, and had the money to fly in their own cancer specialist from back home, would this be allowed?
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In principle yes.
 
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You mean, rich people get preferential treatment in countries other than the United States of Evil?
 
My take on this is that the release is actually in the US best interest. Considering all the effort that the US has put in towards getting Libya on friendly terms dating all the way back to the Clinton administration, it is preposterous to assume that our current Secretary of State is unaware of the US interest in releasing this man.

I think Ms. Clinton's words were entirely for domestic consumption since back home she can't appear to show any weakness on terror in the current political environment. Also since the appeal seems to have been dropped as part of the deal for the compasionate release, effectively stifling future investigation in the man's actual guilt or innocence (something of more interest to the US than any other country if he actually is innocent) I would not be surprised if some folks from the US state dept actually helped put together this little deal.

So, in response to EJ's OP it does not appear to me as if Scotland is standing up to US bullying. They appear to both be working together to do the right thing (release a likely innocent man who is suffering from a painful disease) while also allowing both nations to spin rhetoric for home consumption (US takes a stand against to appear tough on terror, Scotland grants relase appearing to stand up to US bullying)

Everybody wins, especially Magrahi, who gets to spend his final days with his family, rather than in a foreign prison.
 
Darat said:
Or simply a recognition that people can change?
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The punishment should fit the crime even if a person changes. How do you know if a person has actually changed or not? There have been many parolees who after serving many years in prison and making people think they're a changed person who committed a murder or whatever soon after they were released.

Some people may believe this man is innocent and thats another story. However he was convicted and placed in prison for killing over 200 innocent people. Let him get his medical care behind bars. If he had killed that many people in Georgia where I live he'd have gone under the needle by now and rightly so.
 
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That is your legal system and the decision is for you to make: this is ours and it is ours.
 
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