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Does 'rape culture' accurately describe (many) societies?

Poem said:
According to Trump, the US is the greatest country in the world....but I'd say he's a way to go before MAGA becomes a reality - how about dealing with BARELY LEGAL first. Here's Exodus Cry:

In “barely legal” porn, it’s common to see girls dressed up as children, wearing children’s clothes and being spoken to as such. Girls are often filmed holding teddy bears, lollipops, bright colored lunch boxes and speaking in high-pitched voices. The videos are often tagged with words like, “petite schoolgirls,” “cheerleaders,” “young teens,” “babysitters,” and “tiny innocent virgins.”

Not the sign of a civilised country. Not at all.
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You want Trump to ban porn?.... BWHHAHAHAHAH.
 
Poem said:
Reasons?
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It's a fundamental form of human expression, based around a fundamental human activity, that can be produced and consumed without harm to anyone.

The fact that people can make porn that is or looks cruel and is enjoyable by cruel people is, to me, unfortunate, but absolutely not worth taking it away from humanity as a whole.

Regulate, of course; just like with food we can't and shouldn't just trust commercial producers to self-police. Ban things on the definably, demonstratively, directly harmful end. Argue about what counts as harmful; that's healthy for a society too.
 
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Poem said:
I think it might help the debate of you tell me if you think we were right to make slavery illegal? I'll wager that the same issues you have highlighted with regards to a porn ban plague the enforcement of slavery laws in the modern world. Here's an article on trafficking by The Guardian - Are modern slavery laws catching the wrong people? (April 2024):
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Do you think discussing slavery would help you arrive at a definition of the porn you want to ban? I really don't see how. Is there some question over whether or not the definition of porn should specifically include or exclude depictions or accounts of slavery? Maybe you could explain the connection between the definitions.

Poem said:
“The distinction between victims and perpetrators – between slaves and their masters – has proven impossible to act upon with any consistency,” said Prof Insa Koch, of the University of St Gallen in Switzerland. Koch has written and researched extensively on the intersection between the new modern slavery legislation and county lines in the UK since 2018. “In some instances,” she said, “you have one government body finding that a young person has been trafficked, while another insists that they are a perpetrator who should face the full force of the law.”

The fact that Wabelua had organised the 16-year-old runner’s train travel from London to Portsmouth, for the purpose of selling drugs, was enough to serve as the basis for the trafficking charge.
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That doesn't sound like a problem with the definition of trafficking or slavery, but rather, the distinctly different legal question of under what conditions the trafficked person is or is not culpable for the crimes they commit which may or may not have been under any duress.

Poem said:
To bring about a ban on porn would require a huge cultural shift and overturning Ashcroft v. FSC would be but one step in that direction. There would, without doubt, be issues regarding legal definitions; some innocent people / products / educational literature etc would be caught up in the grey areas.
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That depends entirely on what definition of porn you wish to codify into a legal ban. Please state that definition.

If you are unable, as increasingly seems to be the case, then perhaps you could at least state your wishes for what that definition should and should not include.

Should it or should it not include "Let's you and me get it on tonight!" printed on a Valentine card along with pictures of hearts and flowers?

Should it or should it not include "Let's you and me get it on tonight!" printed on a Valentine card along with pictures of handcuffs, a blindfold, a ball gag, and a riding crop?

Should it or should it not include a stage production of Romeo and Juliet where the lead performers are costumed and made up to portray teenagers, including briefly appearing nude on stage, but not visibly engaging in any real or simulated sex act except kissing?

Should it or should it not include vibrators as I defined them in my earlier post?

Should it or should it not include a detailed illustration in a health textbook for sixth graders (11-12 year olds) showing how to insert and position a tampon?

And don't forget, the question "should it include..." actually means "should the person or persons responsible for... have their freedom or property taken away by the apparatus of the state?" Because that's how laws actually work.
 
Poem said:
Do you agree with Darat who supports the introduction of the Online Safety Act which will (to some degree as yet not know) curtail some free speech?

www.gov.uk

The relationship between pornography use and harmful sexual attitudes and behaviours: literature review

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For the purpose of this review, ‘pornography’ is defined as ‘any media (including: internet, books, videos, magazines etc.) intended to sexually arouse consumers through the depiction of nudity or explicit sexual behaviour.’
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Are you stating this as your definition, and what you want the law to ban?
 
Darat said:
It may come as shock to you but apparently many of those plumbers and pizza delivery workers aren't in fact plumbers nor pizza delivery workers!
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I said upthread. Porn actors are paid performers.

In some cases they are hired to perform a role as a younger person. In Mean Girls, Rachel McAdams (26) played a 16-year old character.Keiko Agena was 27 when she played a 16-year old in Gilmore Girls. Nicholas Brendan - 26 when his character Xander in Buffy the Vampire Slayer was also 16. And he was far from the only one in that show. In the novel, Daenerys Targaryan was 13 when she was given as a wife to Khal Drogo. In the TV show she was aged up to 16. Actress Emilia Clarke was 24. And she had a nude scene. Finally (for now) Grease.

In the end, it doesn't really matter that an actress is hired to portray a character significantly younger than they are, because they are not that young. And if they are, yes, it's already completely illegal and prosecutions for such occur regularly.
 
arthwollipot said:
I said upthread. Porn actors are paid performers.

In some cases they are hired to perform a role as a younger person. In Mean Girls, Rachel McAdams (26) played a 16-year old character.Keiko Agena was 27 when she played a 16-year old in Gilmore Girls. Nicholas Brendan - 26 when his character Xander in Buffy the Vampire Slayer was also 16. And he was far from the only one in that show. In the novel, Daenerys Targaryan was 13 when she was given as a wife to Khal Drogo. In the TV show she was aged up to 16. Actress Emilia Clarke was 24. And she had a nude scene. Finally (for now) Grease.

In the end, it doesn't really matter that an actress is hired to portray a character significantly younger than they are, because they are not that young. And if they are, yes, it's already completely illegal and prosecutions for such occur regularly.
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Encouraging paedophilia.
 
She was 20 when she was portraying, yes, a 16-year old. So in actual fact, you were not attracted to a 16-year old, you were attracted to a 20-year old.
 
Curious if this question has been asked yet -

"This thing only exists to stimulate sexual arousal". Well, ... so what? How is that inherently a bad thing, absent any other factors like non-consent, etc. ?
 
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