Did We Kill Michael Jackson?

[Checkmite]

Statistically, people who were physically and/or sexually abused as kids are more often convicted of crimes related to pedophilia as adults. I'll fetch those stats if you'd like.

If you would be so kind. Also, if you would be willing to specify, "more often" than whom, exactly?

Hint: "General population" is an invalid response; last I was aware, abuse victims are part of the general population.

 

[Niggle]

Niggle,

I said I was not serious. I don't know why an off-the-cuff remark based solely on my personal experience and not any in-depth scientific research would make you so angry. I am sorry you are angry and felt the need to call me names for my opinion that I have reached from a personal experience in several countries over many years. I am sorry I have made you angry. Yes, I should do more specific and serious research before posting such a shallow view online.

You said:

Add to the mix the fact that in North American society women are all pretty much gold diggers.

Then you tried to defend it, not as an opinion but as a fact. Adding your vague anecdotes doesn't help your case or prove your point, and trying that tack only makes it clear that you DON'T think it's a joke. One of your own examples disproved your point (the nice JW girl).

If you're expressing an opinion, make it clear that it's only your opinion. And if you choose to express misogynistic crap like this in public, expect to be called on it in this country. Calling all the American and Canadian females on this forum golddiggers is rude (yes, we would all qualify as part of the set you named in your post; Canada IS part of North America). If you can't figure that out, you don't belong in public. Even young children learn early on that saying nasty things about people ("Mommy, she's really fat!") to their faces is rude, even if those things are true. I'm assuming you're older than my nephew, but you haven't learned that yet. Shame on you.

 

[Bill Thompson]

The biggest problem Michael had was he was childlike, I believe he had the Peter Pan syndrome. So when you are childlike you are going to have children as friends, sleepovers etc. If he didn't have that and probably body dysmorphic disorder he would've been more respected.

There are like all these death jokes being made by teens now, its really sad. Even after he dies he gets no respect. I mean what if he never even harmed a child? If he was mentally unstable why the hell did the people keep sending the kids over to his ranch?

I lived in Santa Barbara. A friend of mine knew a cook that worked at Neverland. She was exaggerating perhaps but she seemed to imply that Jackson liked it when the cook said that some prepared food was some sort of Mikey Mouse or Disney inspired dish.

That is the only personal Michael Jackson story I have. It sounds plausable.

There is a report on MSN video out right now that shows interviews I had never seen before where Michael Jackson insists "I am Peter Pan!" and also saying that his favorite thing in Neverland was the tree to climb on. Now I know what South Park was talking about.

A family member suggested to me that Jackson lives such a tisted early life that he never grew up or even learned right from wrong. No excuse, I know you might say.

 

[Kopji]

No (we did not kill him).
But is anyone really surprised he's dead at 50?

I'm not an MJ fan, but I do appreciate a kind of genius in his life and work. How many artists are self-tortured and a bit crazy? Probably more than a few. The same characteristics that eventually killed him were part of his talent. (Just my opinion not starting a research paper).

What I've noted in his life and found sadly lacking was that he did not have many close people for him. Everyone close to him seems like a predator or on the gravy train payroll - just along for the fame and fortune ride...

 

[Frankenstyle]

No, we as a society didn't kill him.

Having your head redesigned every five years takes it's toll on a man.

 

[truethat]

People who cannot grasp complex concepts.



There are a lot of societal evils to throw in the brew.

I know a Jehova Wittness who is a wonderful lovely girl but when you really get to know her you find how unusally strict the religion is. They do not vote or get politcally involved. THey completely 100% buy into the Kingdom of God routine. She would never consider dating someone outside of her religion. I can imagine this meant that Micheal Jackson never had groupies like other pop stars.

Add into the mix the fact that everyone wants a piece of you if you are rich. Everyone wants to take advantage of you or scam you. The day after his death I heard his spiritual advisor on the radio saying that the reason Michael hung out with kids -- the real reason -- was that he got to the point where he could not trust adults anymore.

Add to the mix the fact that in North American society women are all pretty much gold diggers.

To change the subject a bit now. I have a personal story to relate. I went to high school with a kid whose dad was Elvis Presley's dentist. He told us that Elvis was always depressed and was never in a good mood. No, not because he was afraid of dentists. It was because he confided in him that he never knew who to trust.

Jackson's family was trying to get him off of pain medicine but it might have gotten to the point where the hurt that the public had thrust upon him had gone too far and the balance was already tipped.

I had to stop here because of the irony of your personal anecdote.

A. If Elvis never trusted anyone why in the hell would he reveal his insecurities about trusting people to your friend's dentist?

And B. Why would your friends dad betray his confidentiality like that?

Anal of me I know but still.

 

[Oliver]

No, we as a society didn't kill him.

Having your head redesigned every five years takes it's toll on a man.

His head was "redesigned" as a child - which, to me, was the most logical explanation for him to find his true "me", which he never found, among other problems as a result of the first redesign, IMHO.

 

[Number Six]

Yes, we all killed Michael Jackson. Will someone put all of us in prison already?

Yes, he had fame thrust upon him as a child but after he was far enough into adulthood to know what he was doing and after he had earned enough money to last a hundred lifetimes, he still worked to maintain and increase his fame. When he died he was preparing for a tour whose goal was to give him even more money and fame.

It's too bad he felt compelled to live that way, but he chose it.

 

[dudalb]

If we are going from a Cui Bono point of view.AL Sharpton has to be a top suspect. Look at how that guy is milking this for everything it is worth.

 

[Stacy Head]

He grew up sheltered from how harsh the world really was and how people will do anything for the all mighty dollar.

He was a Jehovah Witness and for a while he lived by their strict code of living with your parents until you are married. He was even going door-to-door in disguise with copies of The Watch Tower after Thriller became a success.

Maybe he wasn't a child molester. Maybe he was this eternal kid and the force of the harsh real world turned him in to an anorexic man whose only way to cope was pain killers.

No! Lot's of people with lots worse realities are alive and functioning well in society. It was his lifestyle choice. Anyone who asks for Propofol to help them sleep needs to be evaluated for the psychiatric hospital. So, the real question is, who was the do do that gave him Diprivan?

 

[DC]

No, we as a society didn't kill him.

Having your head redesigned every five years takes it's toll on a man.

so? why did he do this crazy operations?
Interview with his former Manager comes to mind, when MTV refused to play him because he is Black.

 

[Frankenstyle]

so? why did he do this crazy operations?
Interview with his former Manager comes to mind, when MTV refused to play him because he is Black.

So either,

1) MTV doesn't pay black entertainers, and this manager was the only one brave enough to fight the system.

2) The manager lied to hide the fact that MJ had body dysmorphic disorder, as well as to protect the profitability of his most productive cash cow.

I'm leaning towards option 2.

 

[DC]

1 does not exclude 2 i think.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1355/is_14_110/ai_n16807343/

 

[Frankenstyle]

1 does not exclude 2 i think.

Oops. Just ignore me. Somehow I read that as "pay", not "play".

 

[bigred]

Did We Kill Michael Jackson? It is a simple yes or no question. Is it really so absurd?

An absurd question on JREF? unpossible!

Anyway I didn't, but I can see how threads like "Brazil is better than the U.S." would drive him over the edge.

 

[Azrael 5]

Don't remember where I heard this, but it's worth quoting:
"People don't kill people, death kills people. It's a medical fact!"

Not sure but it sounds like Eddie Izzard,he did say "Guns don't kill people ,people do"

 

[ZirconBlue]

Yes, he had fame thrust upon him as a child but after he was far enough into adulthood to know what he was doing and after he had earned enough money to last a hundred lifetimes, he still worked to maintain and increase his fame.

When discussing Michael Jackson, could we please avoid using "thrust" and "child" in the same sentence?

 

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Exactly, grown men who own lot of toys and gifts that they give to droves of strange kids who are invited to sleep in their bedrooms with no adults around.

Grown women too, sometimes. Although women who sexually abuse children allegedly often do it along with a male pedophile.

It seems that where the young boys were concerned, Jackson's fame and adoration both worked for and against him. On one hand, a famous celebrity might draw fake allegations and lawsuits a less famous and not so rich individual weren't. On the other hand, his money and fame were what gave him access to children, made their parents trust him and want to deposit the kids at his ranch and let him get away with a whole lot you and I wouldn't.

If a Joe Schmo behaved like Jackson, he would be instantly suspected of being a pedophile just for dressing like Willy Wonka and comparing himself to Peter Pan.

 

[aviolet4u]

Grown women too, sometimes. Although women who sexually abuse children allegedly often do it along with a male pedophile.

It seems that where the young boys were concerned, Jackson's fame and adoration both worked for and against him. On one hand, a famous celebrity might draw fake allegations and lawsuits a less famous and not so rich individual weren't. On the other hand, his money and fame were what gave him access to children, made their parents trust him and want to deposit the kids at his ranch and let him get away with a whole lot you and I wouldn't.

If a Joe Schmo behaved like Jackson, he would be instantly suspected of being a pedophile just for dressing like Willy Wonka and comparing himself to Peter Pan.

Didn't the therapist say he had a mind of a 10 year old? So his fans were probably like "aww he's so innocent, so sweet." They didn't see how he could cause any harm. Remember he spent so much on charity, visited so many hospitals, thousands of sick children had fun at his ranch, he sang all about "healing the world." Many spiritual people even believed he was a lightworker. Anyway he should have continued on with therapy...things could have ended up differently at the end.

 

[Oliver]

Didn't the therapist say he had a mind of a 10 year old? So his fans were probably like "aww he's so innocent, so sweet." They didn't see how he could cause any harm. Remember he spent so much on charity, visited so many hospitals, thousands of sick children had fun at his ranch, he sang all about "healing the world." Many spiritual people even believed he was a lightworker. Anyway he should have continued on with therapy...things could have ended up differently at the end.

Unless the child abuse is factually correct, I don't see a problem with someone who has a mind of a ten year old kid. That's no crime, nor is it anything bad if no one is harmed. And I think if the assessment is correct about his stage of mind, I would rather tend to blame his father.

Actually, in one major interview he claimed to be Peter Pan. For some strange reason, his face actually looked a bit like Peter Pan, IMHO.