Merged Depleted uranium

[Bruce]

Radiation shields? RADIATION SHIELDS!!!???? OMG!?

Of course! The deadly radiation from the depleted uranium will collide with the deadly radiation from the medical equipment and fall harmlessly to the ground. Brilliant!!

 

[hammer4all]

Hey guys. Why don't you go tell these three returning Iraq vets about how depleted uranium is harmless?

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/05/1356248

Then you can go tell this vet’s daughter:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/30/1411222

And then you might want to tell the United Nations Human Rights Commission who passed a resolution banning depleted uranium weapons in 1997 because they’re weapons of mass destruction with indiscriminate effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Yeah, some tabloid nonsense.

 

[RandFan]

Of course! The deadly radiation from the depleted uranium will collide with the deadly radiation from the medical equipment and fall harmlessly to the ground. Brilliant!!

 

[RandFan]

Hey guys. Why don't you go tell these three returning Iraq vets about how depleted uranium is harmless?

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/05/1356248

Then you can go tell this vet’s daughter:

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/30/1411222

No evidence that I can see. Only conjecture and speculation. Perhaps I missed something. Could you qoute the hard evidence?

And then you might want to tell the United Nations Human Rights Commission who passed a resolution banning depleted uranium weapons in 1997 because they’re weapons of mass destruction with indiscriminate effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Yeah, some tabloid nonsense.

You might want to read the entire paragraph.

A 1997 report by the European Committee on Radiation Risk (ECRR) suggested that DU posed serious health risks. By contrast, other studies have shown that DU ammunition has no measurable detrimental health effects, either in the short or long term. The International Atomic Energy Agency reports, "based on credible scientific evidence, there is no proven link between DU exposure and increases in human cancers or other significant health or environmental impacts," although "Like other heavy metals, DU is potentially poisonous. In sufficient amounts, if DU is ingested or inhaled it can be harmful because of its chemical toxicity. High concentration could cause kidney damage." [4] (http://www.iaea.org/NewsCenter/Features/DU/faq_depleted_uranium.shtml) The US military watchdog group Federation of American Scientists has come to similar conclusions.

 

[Bruce]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Amazing what you can find when you actually read the links:

Under Health Effects:

Most scientific studies have found no link between depleted uranium and negative health effects such as cancer, liver damage, and birth defects

Under Gulf War Syndrome:

most experts believe there is no connection

Why is it that "most" studies and "most" experts are worth only a brief sentence while the allegations, anecdotal evidence, and tabloid nonsense are worth several paragraphs?

 

[Bruce]

Damn, Randfand!! We are like, so on the ball tonight!!

 

[WildCat]

Why is it that "most" studies and "most" experts are worth only a brief sentence while the allegations, anecdotal evidence, and tabloid nonsense are worth several paragraphs?

Because sound scientific studies showing no ill effects don't get you a dime in a court of law, but anecdotal evidence and a baby missing 3 fingers can get you millions w/ the right jury and a good lawyer.

 

[RandFan]

Damn, Randfand!! We are like, so on the ball tonight!!

Amazing what a little skepticism will do.

 

[Bruce]

Because sound scientific studies showing no ill effects don't get you a dime in a court of law, but anecdotal evidence and a baby missing 3 fingers can get you millions w/ the right jury and a good lawyer.

Damn it, WildCat! I was in such a good mood. Why did you have to go and bring me down like that with the painful truth?

 

[Bruce]

Believe it or not, I have a serious question. Did any of the Iraqi's come down with Gulf War Syndrome?

 

[aerocontrols]

Believe it or not, I have a serious question. Did any of the Iraqi's come down with Gulf War Syndrome?

Most of the DU we used in the Gulf War was in Kuwait, (where Saddam's army was) not Iraq.

 

[hammer4all]

There are literally hundreds more articles from credible news organizations all around the world including "WHO ‘Suppressed’ Scientific Study Into Depleted Uranium Cancer Fears in Iraq" and "US Wins Defeat of Depleted Uranium Study" all linked here. The evidence is overwhelming and there’s always a consistent pattern of the United States trying to block and stifle any research on the matter. It's almost as if they're trying to hide something…

Get a freakin clue. I'm done with this thread.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Hey guys. Why don't you go tell these three returning Iraq vets about how depleted uranium is harmless?

Ok. Do you have their e-mail addresses? I had a headache last night, it occured to me that I also was exposed to a particularly nasty looking woman a day earlier, it MUST'VE been the woman that caused my headache.

And then you might want to tell the United Nations Human Rights Commission who passed a resolution banning depleted uranium weapons in 1997 because they’re weapons of mass destruction with indiscriminate effect.

Ok, what's their number?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depleted_uranium

Yeah, some tabloid nonsense.

I didn't realize that wikipedia was a reliable source of scientific information. I was under the impression that it was written by the public and anything could show up in it.

 

[thaiboxerken]

There are literally hundreds more articles from credible news organizations all around the world

News media is hardly a reliable source of scientific data. Why aren't there peer-reviewed studies to support the claims of the anti-DU crowd? Oh, I know, because they have no EVIDENCE! I'm hoping you get a clue and look to science instead of news articles when it comes to scientific claims.

 

[WildCat]

There are literally hundreds more articles from credible news organizations all around the world including "WHO ‘Suppressed’ Scientific Study Into Depleted Uranium Cancer Fears in Iraq" and "US Wins Defeat of Depleted Uranium Study" all linked here. The evidence is overwhelming and there’s always a consistent pattern of the United States trying to block and stifle any research on the matter. It's almost as if they're trying to hide something…

Get a freakin clue. I'm done with this thread.

You might as well quit this forum if all you have is anecdotal evidence to argue w/. If that sort of evidence was valid, then the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, ghosts, fairies, alien abductions, lizard men, yetis, homeopathy, talking to the dead, magick, witchcraft, chemtrails, etc etc are all proven, real phenomena. But in this forum, you'll have to do better than links to politically biased web sites and misleading headlines.

And don't have such a thin skin!

 

[Bruce]

"WHO ‘Suppressed’ Scientific Study Into Depleted Uranium Cancer Fears in Iraq

The skepticism is rolling tonight, isn't it?

These allegations, however, are dismissed as "totally unfounded" by WHO.

The bastion of murdering government conspirators

"The IAEA role was very minor," said Dr Mike Repacholi, the WHO coordinator of radiation and environmental health in Geneva. "The article was not approved for publication because parts of it did not reflect accurately what a WHO-convened group of inter national experts considered the best science in the area of depleted uranium," he added.

Baverstock's study, which has now been passed to the Sunday Herald, pointed out that Iraq's arid climate meant that tiny particles of DU were likely to be blown around and inhaled by civilians for years to come. It warned that, when inside the body, their radiation and toxicity could trigger the growth of malignant tumors.

The study suggested that the low-level radiation from DU could harm cells adjacent to those that are directly irradiated, a phenomenon known as "the bystander effect". This undermines the stability of the body's genetic system, and is thought by many scientists to be linked to cancers and possibly other illnesses.

In addition, the DU in Iraq, like that used in the Balkan conflict, could turn out to be contaminated with plutonium and other radioactive waste . That would make it more radioactive and hence more dangerous, Baverstock argued.

"The radiation and the chemical toxicity of DU could also act together to create a 'cocktail effect' that further increases the risk of cancer. These are all worrying possibilities that urgently require more investigation," he said.

"Could", "thought", "suggested", "worrying possibilities"!?!? I thought this was a study! Where are the numbers? Where are the control groups? Where are the facts?

You know, a UVB ray from the sun could make contact with one of your skin cells and cause cancer. Let's ban the sun.

 

[RandFan]

I'm done with this thread.

That's probably a good idea.

 

[The Fool]

That's probably a good idea.

yes, some people just refuse to accept the harmlessness of radioactive heavymetal dust....best to hound them out.

 

[Leif Roar]

yes, some people just refuse to accept the harmlessness of radioactive heavymetal dust....best to hound them out.

Depleted uranium isn't radioactive, except in the same sense that concrete is radioactive. Yes, it's a heavy metal and as such it is a health hazard; however it is nowhere near the health hazard that some people make it out to be. If they were concerned about the actual (rather than imagined) health effects of depleted uranium, they would be equally opposed to the similar use of lead or wolfram.

 

[RandFan]

yes, some people just refuse to accept the harmlessness of radioactive heavymetal dust....best to hound them out.

No one is hounding anyone out. The evidence is in and the facts are clear. The individual who is leaving has nothing but anecdote, speculation and conjecture. He refuses to make an argument and relies on fallacy. He is embarrassing himself. If he is not willing to respond in a meaningful way then what purpose is there for him to hang around?