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David Cameron resigns

I'm sure I'm not the only USAnian annoyed that you folks in the UK will be having your election before we do. It's been going on three years now.

Boris Johnson was just on CNN and my wife said "He's got Trump's hair". Is that the only similarity? And speaking of Trump, he's in Scotland cheering the vote. Probably thinking "Make England Great Again". And yes, I said "England" on purpose.
 
Two blokes in the Barbers this afternoon happy about the win but dismayed that there hadn't been an announcement about 'Shutting the Border' yet.
After some explaining that it could take up to two years to close anything they didn't seem as happy.
They seem to think Boris has been elected already and can simply just give the order.
 
MikeG said:
ILeave won. Are you really saying that the democratic choice of the majority of the electorate is a disaster? Because denying the majority of the country any say on this matter is a bit "never mind your pretty head about this. We know what's best for you", don't you think?
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Fascinating demographic and social analysis from Ashcroft in the link.

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/how-the-united-kingdom-voted-and-why/#more-14746

Here is one relevant nugget I think

Those who said they paid a great deal of attention to politics were evenly divided between leave and remain. Those who said they paid little or no attention to politics voted to leave the EU by 58% to 42%
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But there are dozens of findings in there
 
58 to 42 is about the English average, though. In other words, non political folk voted about the same as the average English voter. I wouldn't say that stat is surprising or interesting.
 
Trebuchet said:
I'm sure I'm not the only USAnian annoyed that you folks in the UK will be having your election before we do. It's been going on three years now......
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No we won't. We'll have a change of party leader (an internal process within the Conservative Party) and thus a change of PM, but there won't be an election.
 
MikeG said:
Are you really saying that the democratic choice of the majority of the electorate is a disaster?
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Possibly, yes.

I realise that comes with all sorts of implications I don't like, but I'm thinking maybe yes.
 
Degeneve said:
Will David Cameron enter in history as the worst UK prime minister ever?
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No. I have never liked him at all. But whenever I have thought to think about how bad he is, I have had to remind myself that he is the prime minister who has allowed the most democratic decisions to be made by a British Prime Minister since ever. He clearly made promises to have referendums ( yes referendums and bugger off anyone who tries to correct me!). And he introduced gay marriage. History will be kind to his leadership despite what people
 
MikeG said:
I'm not sure he actually had a choice. With a coalition government, and then one with only a very small majority, this centrist Europhile PM had to keep his eurosceptic wing at bay for as long as possible. They would have thwarted him at every turn (remember what happened to John Major?) if he hadn't dangled the carrot of a referendum. It may look a bad decision now, but arguably it has bought him 3 or 4 years of peace in the party, and stability in the leadership of the country.

Don't forget, Leave won. Are you really saying that the democratic choice of the majority of the electorate is a disaster? Because denying the majority of the country any say on this matter is a bit "never mind your pretty head about this. We know what's best for you", don't you think?
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Sometimes that is exactly what you need to do. Or have Very Bad Things happen. This is one of those times and the one's who voted to exit will likely get exactly what they deserve. Unfortunately, the other side will not get what they deserve. Both will almost certainly not like what they get, though!!!!!!!.

I assume, by the by, that border crossings will become long and iffy for Brits in Europe and the rate of exchange will be bad for them.
 
angrysoba said:
No. I have never liked him at all. But whenever I have thought to think about how bad he is, I have had to remind myself that he is the prime minister who has allowed the most democratic decisions to be made by a British Prime Minister since ever. He clearly made promises to have referendums ( yes referendums and bugger off anyone who tries to correct me!). And he introduced gay marriage. History will be kind to his leadership despite what people
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Clearly someone has censored your post here!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^.. what people.....???????
 
angrysoba said:
No. I have never liked him at all. But whenever I have thought to think about how bad he is, I have had to remind myself that he is the prime minister who has allowed the most democratic decisions to be made by a British Prime Minister since ever. He clearly made promises to have referendums ( yes referendums and bugger off anyone who tries to correct me!). And he introduced gay marriage. History will be kind to his leadership despite what people
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I was thinking about a thread on his legacy which would have asked for plus and minus - you have picked the positives I saw: AV referendum delivered, Scotch referendum delivered, Exit referendum delivered, gay marriage. Please feel free to chip in with others. I'm going to try to analyse their manifesto plus the coalition agreement to see what I've missed.

I fear being the PM who presided over this referendum and let the UK drift out of the EU might overshadow those a bit.
 
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