Dance, Kucinich, Dance!

[Matthew Best]

Yes, it's a conspiracy to bore me to tears.

Not to mention that it makes me feel weird to be on the same side of an argument as pomeroo when I see what else he believes.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

The exclamation mark you placed, oddly, after Ramsey Clark's name strongly suggests that you have no idea of what you're saying. Clark's bizarre track record--he has, to repeat, never met an anti-American tyrant he didn't like--indicates a loathing for his own country that compares to Chomsky's and Zinn's.

The exclamation mark is from surprise that you included him in the same sentence as Zinn and Chomsky. I don't know much about Clark, but his reputation seems to be a bit of an oddball, at least.

Chomsky rejects the tinfoil-hat loons because they are complete horses' asses and so easy to discredit. Chomsky, after all, is the man who first denied the existence of the Cambodian genocide and then, when denial became impossible, blamed it on America. He figures that he really can't use another albatross around his neck.

But again...why not just be non-commital? Why choose a side?
Statements like this

are NOT things you say if you want CTers on your good side.
Whether you like him or not, you must admit that Chomsky is smart enough to have kept them wondering about which side he's on.

I caught the sleight-of-hand where you substitute "liberals" for "lefties." It's an old dodge. Chuck Schumer is a liberal; Zinn and Michael Moore are leftists. Liberals don't hate America. Leslie Cagan and Medea Benjamin are not liberals. Sorry.

I wasn't trying to be disingenuous. I use those words interchangeably. I wasn't aware that they meant two different things.
What's your evidence for this?
How do you tell the difference between a "leftist" and a "liberal"?

I have taken on the fight against the conspiracy liars because I believe that their pernicious insanity is designed to weaken this country.

You think the CTers are a threat to this country? People who haven't completed high school, and make up about 10% (or less) of the population?

 

[pomeroo]

What is This Thread About?

[=Matthew Best;2323026]Please, pomeroo, you've been asked before. Take this to the Politics folder.

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You may have noticed that this thread concerns Dennis Kucinich, who is a politician of sorts. I was responding to Perry Logan's absurd claim that most of the conspiracy liars are rightwing nuts. Incidentally, staunchly "progressive" New York Magazine ran a disgraceful piece on the 9/11 crackpots. The far-left author reached Kerryesque heights of nuance in winking at the claims of the tinfoil-hat loons, while hinting that, hey, there are serious questions being raised here. Sure, these people are crazy, except that they make a lot of sense sometimes. The ideologized fraud wanted us to know that he was far too sophisticated to buy into all the snake oil being peddled, but there was more to 9/11 than meets the eye.

Now, tell me that a mainstream mag like New York would flatter the lunatic fantasies of rightwing nuts. Yeah, right.

 

[pomeroo]

[=Axiom_Blade;2323236]The exclamation mark is from surprise that you included him in the same sentence as Zinn and Chomsky. I don't know much about Clark, but his reputation seems to be a bit of an oddball, at least.

Here's a quick look at Ramsey Clark:

http://www.discoverthenetwork.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=781

But again...why not just be non-commital? Why choose a side?
Statements like this

are NOT things you say if you want CTers on your good side.
Whether you like him or not, you must admit that Chomsky is smart enough to have kept them wondering about which side he's on.

You're asking a fair question. I would not have been surprised to find Chomsky promoting the 9/11 fantasists' lunacy, but apparently he found it too embarrassingly stupid. Chomsky is always willing to slander America, but not at the cost of appearing a total jackass.

I wasn't trying to be disingenuous. I use those words interchangeably. I wasn't aware that they meant two different things.
What's your evidence for this?
How do you tell the difference between a "leftist" and a "liberal"?

I'll take your word for it. The problem is, the two words are often used interchangeably, although they mean different things. Most Democrat politicians are liberals. Ron Dellums, who engaged in arguably treasonous activities with the Communists who had taken control of Grenada, was a leftist. His protege, Barbara Lee, who cast the sole dissenting vote in 2001 on a resolution to strike back at the Taliban, is a leftist. Marty Peretz is a liberal pundit; Katha Pollitt is a leftist.

At the risk of over-simplifying, liberals have America's best interests at heart. Leftists regard America with varying degrees of disapproval, extending all the way to outright hatred.

You think the CTers are a threat to this country? People who haven't completed high school, and make up about 10% (or less) of the population?

A huge threat, no. As their poison seeps into the mainstream, it has a polluting effect. The effects can be seen when apolitical, apathetic types start wondering if "we" might have attacked ourselves. I'm not violating Godwin's Law when I point out that the Nazis started out as a small, much-ridiculed band of crackpots.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

I'll take your word for it. The problem is, the two words are often used interchangeably, although they mean different things. Most Democrat politicians are liberals. Ron Dellums, who engaged in arguably treasonous activities with the Communists who had taken control of Grenada, was a leftist. His protege, Barbara Lee, who cast the sole dissenting vote in 2001 on a resolution to strike back at the Taliban, is a leftist. Marty Peretz is a liberal pundit; Katha Pollitt is a leftist.

At the risk of over-simplifying, liberals have America's best interests at heart. Leftists regard America with varying degrees of disapproval, extending all the way to outright hatred.

What makes you think they mean different things?
This is the first I have ever heard of this. My dictionary seems to back me up.

A huge threat, no. As their poison seeps into the mainstream, it has a polluting effect. The effects can be seen when apolitical, apathetic types start wondering if "we" might have attacked ourselves. I'm not violating Godwin's Law when I point out that the Nazis started out as a small, much-ridiculed band of crackpots.

That's true. The Nazis were probably history's most successful CTers.
It is important to try to stop things like this before they spread too far.

 

[Firestone]

Someone of LCF saw Kucinich today. His report:

I just saw Dennis Kucinich, here in Keene, NH. I really pressed the 9/11 Truth issue. He told me he considers 9/11 "Not closed" and he and his small congressional staff will look at issues brought up, I asked him if they have subpoena power and he said that they did. Not sure how far that reaches but this could be good news! I told him all about the Atta-ISI connection and he nodded. Although he didn't speak too much to this topic tommorow my friend Justin who interviewed him a few weeks ago will be presenting some stuff to him. Including many questions the family members and Steering Committee feel have been unaswered. He is here in NH alot so we will continue to press the issues and hopefully he will go through and try to get some questions answered.

(bolding mine)

Rather bizarre, for a movement representing 36% to 84% of Americans to be happy that an outsider candidate for the nomitation nodded.
But if it makes them happy ...

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Rather bizarre, for a movement representing 36% to 84% of Americans to be happy that an outsider candidate for the nomitation nodded.
But if it makes them happy ...

It's like when that really hot girl says, "Excuse me," to you. *swoon*