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Crop circle debunking help needed

chuck4842 said:
Would it be lazy of me to ask what year England took guns out of the citizens hands? Maybe there's a correlation between the simple circles and the timetable of the complexity of the formations. But the genius I am, I'd just say the aliens felt more compelled to the advancements this particular part of humanity has made by disarming themselves. Why not then make formations in China though? Are the chinese short on mathematicians? Or rice?
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I think a short interlude to explain how crop circles have travelled to different countries is useful here.

Crop circles of any degree of complexity, that is everything more than a simple circle, started appearing in southern England in the 1980s, but didn't really get going until the late 80s and early 90s. It was then that they caught the attention of the media, and a formation in East Field, Alton Barnes, Wiltshire was used on on the cover of Led Zep's Remasters album. With this exposure, tourists started to come to England each summer to visit the circles, some also hoping that they might have some odd experiences along the way. These visitors came mainly from the continent, mainly France, Belgium, the Netherlands, Norway and Italy, and also from the USA.

After a while, formations started appearing in these countries too, with the numbers and locations of international circles bearing a similarity to the numbers and origins of tourists to England's Wiltshire county.

Now, chuck, why do you think this was happening? Do you think the aliens were following our happy holidaymakers back home again? Or do you think it might be an example of what is known as cultural diffusion?

We don't get many Chinese tourists, or at least we didn't until very recently (there's quite an influx of affluent Chinese into London these days, mainly for shopping it would seem), so maybe you'd want to mull that over too.
 
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23_Tauri said:
We don't get many Chinese tourists, or at least we didn't until very recently (there's quite an influx of affluent Chinese into London these days, mainly for shopping it would seem), so maybe you'd want to mull that over too.
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I also wouldn't know how well rice would lend itself to making crop circles, nor how the authorities would treat someone caught making them.
 
Wasting food has to be a bigger offense in poor countries.
Any guesses on the tourist dollar value of crop circles?
It likely exceeds the lost grain.

Hence, the government is making them. For revenue.
 
chuck4842, if all these English farmers are staying up at night watching their fields, how come none of them ever talk about it?

Why aren't there ever any reports from farmers, of circles that were made in fields while they watched?

Why haven't any farmers ever caught the aliens in the act? If they could catch people in the act, why not aliens? Surely we should be hearing about all the aliens the farmers have discovered, right?

At the very least, England should be teeming with farmers telling stories about lost time or mysterious forces manipulating their crops before their very eyes. Why don't we have any of this?
 
I have in my possession a number of legal firearms. In my wildest imagination I can't envision a scenario in which I might use them against someone rearranging the flora upon my property. Genius you might be but I posit this correlation you seek is unrobust theory.
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Yeah, when Western countries are concerned, the whole "burglars and trespassers are best countered by waving lethal weaponry and beating your chest" thing is pretty much restricted to the US, it seems. You won't find it in Europe to nearly the same degree.

I wouldn't kill anyone either, but you gotta admit, for the culprit, the thought is a deterrent.
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Yes, the thought of someone waiting in the bushes with a firearm, possibly to shoot and kill me, would indeed be a deterrent if I was some innocent prankster. This still doesn't make the idea anywhere close to halfway sane, though.

I'm no longer sure what point Chuck is trying to make. He's accepted that it's possible for humans to make crop circles, so... what's he even arguing about now?
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I'm still rather peeved at the "crop circles must be alien-made" believers. In their eyes, the same humans capable of building this:

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...are incapable of pressing geometric shapes into a corn field.

Sad.
 
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yes, safe-Keeper.


But.

(There's always a but.)

The humans that made that rather garish structure in your picture had a monetary incentive.
That's what makes them human.

what possible incentive would humans have for mashing weird patterns in fields of barley?

Hence, aliens.
or government secret agents.




Gulp.

Is it possible that the government is the aliens?

Its all starting to make sense to me now.
 
to be honest, the increasing complexity of crop circles is a brilliant argument for crop circles being man-made.

If it were aliens or a natural phenomenon, then they would be about the same complexity level whenever we saw them. Earthquakes aren't getting more complex after all.

However, if they're a cultural phenomenon, examples of human-made art, then it's natural that they would get more complex. The more of them people do, the more ambitious people get at doing them.

What we're seeing is exactly what we would expect to see from crop circles made by humans.
 
Lamuella said:
to be honest, the increasing complexity of crop circles is a brilliant argument for crop circles being man-made.

If it were aliens or a natural phenomenon, then they would be about the same complexity level whenever we saw them. Earthquakes aren't getting more complex after all.

However, if they're a cultural phenomenon, examples of human-made art, then it's natural that they would get more complex. The more of them people do, the more ambitious people get at doing them.

What we're seeing is exactly what we would expect to see from crop circles made by humans.
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Do you know what the wooster's explanation of this is? It's because the aleeyns are teaching us their language. They know we find it hard to decipher the messages in their crop circles, so they kept it simple to begin with and then made them gradually more complex as we learnt to de-code them. Sort of ABC, before moving onto stringing a sentence together.

You may laugh, but I've actually heard crop circle researchers (or 'cerealogists') put forward this theory in talks to woo audiences.
 
I have said it before, and I'll say it again.

Drs_Res said:
I have it all figured out.

The aliens are here and in contact with all the governments of the world, now we all know how long it takes a government bureaucracy to get anything done, right? Well multiply that by all the world's governments needing to get on the same page all at the same time to answer the alien's questions, negotiate or whatever. It's going to take a lot of time to form a consensus and respond to the aliens.

The crop circles are not messages to us, it's the bored aliens doodling while they wait for a response from the governments of the world. :D
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Either that or they are the alien equivalent of Post-it notes.
 
chuck4842 said:
as opposed to sitting in a lit room and drawing lines on a page with a handsized straight edge, compass, or the worry of being arrested. Shot in my country.
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I did quite a few crop circle in my time, back middle on 90's, near compiegne/france, with a few friend. None of them made the news, books, or even local rag sadly. We always had hopped the local pilot would photography it.

It is not as complex as you might think it is in the field, once you got it organised although we did have to have a few do over for the first one to get the correct tools, and a lot of preparation on a big big piece of paper. And a lot of triggo.

What specific question do you have ? I can tell you how we did ours. Hint : it does not involve high level stuff (except a giant protractor gotten from my father engineering job, lotta thin rope, planks, and at a time we even used my cat favorite toy : a mouse with a laser pointer in it). And yeah you can get by with not much light near 5 am.
 
Aepervius said:
I did quite a few crop circle in my time, back middle on 90's, near compiegne/france, with a few friend. None of them made the news, books, or even local rag sadly. We always had hopped the local pilot would photography it.

It is not as complex as you might think it is in the field, once you got it organised although we did have to have a few do over for the first one to get the correct tools, and a lot of preparation on a big big piece of paper. And a lot of triggo.

What specific question do you have ? I can tell you how we did ours. Hint : it does not involve high level stuff (except a giant protractor gotten from my father engineering job, lotta thin rope, planks, and at a time we even used my cat favorite toy : a mouse with a laser pointer in it). And yeah you can get by with not much light near 5 am.
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You're either an alien or an alien shill posting here as a disinformation agent./CT nut mode off:duck:
 
23_Tauri said:
Do you know what the wooster's explanation of this is? It's because the aleeyns are teaching us their language. They know we find it hard to decipher the messages in their crop circles, so they kept it simple to begin with and then made them gradually more complex as we learnt to de-code them. Sort of ABC, before moving onto stringing a sentence together.

You may laugh, but I've actually heard crop circle researchers (or 'cerealogists') put forward this theory in talks to woo audiences.
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If this is the case, shouldn't they wait until we have "learned" the first part?

I think a fun game would be to take a series of photos of circles where the makers are known, a series of photos of circles where the makers are not known, shuffle them, and ask a cerealogist who hasn't seen them before to pick out the alien ones.
 
Lamuella said:
If this is the case, shouldn't they wait until we have "learned" the first part?
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Going by the amount of crop circle interpretations available online it would appear that a very special group of woos people out there who have been gifted with the ability to decipher this arcane, alien language, and have been following the conversation all along.

See here for an example of croppie crop circle interpretation gone into hyperdrive.

Lamuella said:
I think a fun game would be to take a series of photos of circles where the makers are known, a series of photos of circles where the makers are not known, shuffle them, and ask a cerealogist who hasn't seen them before to pick out the alien ones.
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Would be an interesting exercise, however the vast majority of formations remain anonymous. It's mainly only those carried out for commercial purposes who have known authors, and most cerealogists will be well aware of these 'hoaxes' already.
 
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