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Crop circle debunking help needed

Stray Cat said:
If you want a bit more fish (or even some fresh squid) with it, think on that these incredibly important plates which would conclusively prove not only the existence of alien life visiting our planet but also clear up the mystery of the crop circles, did not simply disappear without a trace. The man who found them actually cut the gold one in half and errrr.... lost half of it (for reason's known only to himself), so the anonymous industrialist who 'bought' them, only got half the gold plate... According to the story. :confused:
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The guy who found them wasn't called Joseph Smith, by any chance? Because this story sounds awfully familiar.

MRC_Hans said:
- How do we know UFOs are saucer shaped? Well, some of the reports have them to be saucer shaped.
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Of course, it's actually worse than that. We know UFOs are saucer shaped because some people misinterpreted an account which described cigar shaped objects moving "as a saucer skips on a pond". No-one ever reported a saucer shaped UFO until that account was well established in the public conciousness. It's the same as people seeing "greys", as discussed in another recent thread - people see what they expect to see.
 
Cuddles said:
The guy who found them wasn't called Joseph Smith, by any chance? Because this story sounds awfully familiar.
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I was thinking that too.

The real problem with this thread is that now I picture crop circles being made by kittens hovering over the fields.
 
Cuddles said:
The guy who found them wasn't called Joseph Smith, by any chance? Because this story sounds awfully familiar.
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You mean the 19th century founder of the Church of the Latter Day Saints? Now I am confused. :boggled:

Cuddles said:
Of course, it's actually worse than that. We know UFOs are saucer shaped because some people misinterpreted an account which described cigar shaped objects moving "as a saucer skips on a pond". No-one ever reported a saucer shaped UFO until that account was well established in the public conciousness. It's the same as people seeing "greys", as discussed in another recent thread - people see what they expect to see.
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By the 1980s, they'd morphed into triangles too, which is probably why we got the Penrose Triangle crop circle. Triangular UFO, see? ;)
 
23_Tauri said:
You mean the 19th century founder of the Church of the Latter Day Saints? Now I am confused. :boggled:
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The same:
Joseph Smith, Jr. (December 23, 1805 – June 27, 1844) was an American religious leader who founded the Latter Day Saint movement, a group of churches whose adherents regard him as a prophet. During the late 1820s he said that an angel had given him a book of golden plates containing a religious history of ancient American peoples and that he had translated the writing on the plates from an unknown language into English. In 1830, he published the translation as the Book of Mormon and organized what he said was a restoration of the early Christian church.
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ETA:
The plates subsequently were taken back by the angel. There is some dispute as to whether anyone else actually saw them.
 
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Angel Love said:
The place that supposedly tested these was the German Federal Institute for Material Research (Bundesanstalt fur Materialpufung), but it later transpired that they had no record of ever testing these plates. So looks like you're right, they could have been made out of anything. :)
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Materialprüfung. Please. Thx. I am pedantic on that.
 
MRC_Hans said:
Basic fact: There exists no incontrovertible evidence that UFOs exist at all, much less that they are saucer shaped, or entities cabable of landing anywhere.
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Weeeeeeell, to be pedantic, there's plenty of incontrovertible evidence that UFOs exist. What there isn't any incontrovertible evidence for is any explanation for them other than the mundane.

I've personally seen a UFO. I thought it was probably a meteorite, but hadn't ever even heard of one like that, let alone seen one. I tried to find out whether there were any reports of any meteors in my area that particular night, and of whether meteorite such as the one I'd seen actually existed, but couldn't come up with anything through my own research - looking on astronomy websites and the like. For 3 or 4 years I had no idea whether what I'd seen actually was a meteorite or not, but I mostly filed it away at the back of my mind under "cool stuff I've seen", only mentioning it the few times the subject came up. One day I mentioned it on a message board that happened to have an astronomy geek on it, and he confirmed that meteorites like the one I described existed and even managed to find records which showed that one had, indeed, been where I was at roughly the time I remembered seeing it (I couldn't, of course, remember the exact date after all that time).

So I now know I saw a meteorite, but for 3 or 4 years what I saw was a UFO, even if it was a UFO that I at no point thought had anything other than a mundane explanation, and the fact that the mundane explanation I thought it most probably had turned out to be correct. Now it's an FO. Or a OFO - a Once-Flying Object, given that I'm sure it's not still up there.
 
Dr.Sid said:
Nah .. that is clearly an anemometer. 'They' want us to care more about climate.

Btw. thanx for link, priceless !
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No rly, it's a willy. Here's a close-up. I'm not sure if it measures speed..... :eye-poppi

I wonder if the crop circle researchers found any exploded nodes in that one? :D
 
zooterkin said:
The same:

ETA:
The plates subsequently were taken back by the angel. There is some dispute as to whether anyone else actually saw them.
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Three witnesses then eight witnesses saw them by spirit power.


The Three Witnesses, Oliver Cowdery, Martin Harris and David Whitmer, all initially describe their experience with the angel and the plates as subjective and visionary rather than objective and concrete. Their elaborations on the encounter, their departure from the LDS Church, as well as other events in their lives, raise questions about their level of discernment and their credibility as witnesses.

The testimony of the Eight Witnesses is more objective but is plagued by its own set of problems. All eight had close personal ties to Joseph Smith's family — four were David Whitmer's brothers, a fifth was married to a Whitmer sister, and Joseph's father and two brothers made up the remaining three. These close ties to Joseph Smith, coupled with discrepancies between the witnesses' published Book of Mormon statement and later personal statements, as well as the question of coercion on the part of Joseph Smith, all raise questions of their credibility as well.

http://www.irr.org/mit/bom-wit-pt1.html
 
23_Tauri said:
No rly, it's a willy. Here's a close-up. I'm not sure if it measures speed..... :eye-poppi

I wonder if the crop circle researchers found any exploded nodes in that one? :D
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Of course what a lot of people don't realise is that your regular crop circle is just as.... shall we say... phallic?

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23_Tauri said:
Circular reasoning. Arf.... :D


Or...
Person A: So, how do you know what Jesus looks like?
Person B: Haven't you seen the Turin Shroud?
A : How do you know that that's the face of Jesus?
B: Because it's Jesus' shroud....

:boggled:
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Well if there's something that looks like a halo on it, than it's the real thing. 'cause Jesus had a space helmet.:D- proof I'm jking.

proof Fox 8 retracted. The learned things if you don't mind, Vandals(credited for sacking Rome)...(vandalism root for the way Vandals destroyed Roman relics), anniversary west and east Germany money merge.
 
Sceptic Tank said:
Weeeeeeell, to be pedantic, there's plenty of incontrovertible evidence that UFOs exist. What there isn't any incontrovertible evidence for is any explanation for them other than the mundane.

*snip*
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Yeah, sure. But not in the meaning some people imply when they say "crop circles are made by UFOs".

Hans
 
chuck4842 said:
proof Fox 8 retracted. The learned things if you don't mind, Vandals(credited for sacking Rome)...(vandalism root for the way Vandals destroyed Roman relics), anniversary west and east Germany money merge.
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Sorry chucky, you lost me there. :boggled:
 
I was sent down the rabbit hole again, I presented a clip from Fox 8 news, and the responses were like, "got any proof?", "wheres the evidence", "hoax" and other oblivious ,clueless responses . Doesn't the media have a responsibility to retract false info., or when they've been tricked? Like D. Rather, "I'm sorry". So I dug deeper and found some odd coincidences, like the locaton the plates were found was home of a people called the Vandals who sacked Rome and destroyed Romes relics hatefully which is where the word vandalism came from. The date these circles and plates were found was the anniversary of East and West Germany currency became the same. I know, trivial, but proof I learn crazy crap while here. Meanwhile the only evidence anyone has provided of people making Crop Circles is a National Geographic report of a crude small square that took 5 hours and didn't show bent or elongated nodes. Thanks for holding me to a higher standard than you do yourselves.
 
chuck4842 said:
Meanwhile the only evidence anyone has provided of people making Crop Circles is a National Geographic report of a crude small square that took 5 hours and didn't show bent or elongated nodes. Thanks for holding me to a higher standard than you do yourselves.
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If you want evidence of bent nodes in a man made crop circle, take this example:

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Made by these dudes:
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In which were found these babies (bent nodes):
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And even some of these (expulsion cavities):
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