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Crop circle debunking help needed

Stray Cat said:
Then why not do what other people have done. Try to positively identify the man who found them (or anyone involved in the story at all) and ask them?

You will find no verifiable sources for anything connected to this story, because it is a hoax, there is no paper trail for lab reports, no paper trail for financial arrangements, no paper trail for the (required by German Law) form filling and due processes of declaring "Sachsenspiegel" nor any ruling in the German files of an exemption... nothing, nada, nill. The man who dug up the plates dug in three places and found three plates, he then disappeared and so did his plates... never to be seen again, leaving no trace that he'd ever been there or that he'd ever found three plates. Except for a few news and media stories that give no detail...

You'd think that if these plates were the definitive proof that crop circle researchers were looking for, that at least one of them would have followed up on the story in great detail?.... Mmmmm. maybe they did and found what I've found... It's hoax. I'd provide you with the reams of evidence I have only there isn't any... and that's the point, there is no paper trail and with something like this if it were true, there would be something other than an unverified story.
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Wow! Just shows how important this is that they'd cover it up so well/TB mode off.:)
 
chuck4842 said:
http://mmmgroup.altervista.org/e-platesincrop.html

To emphasize I quote Dr Nowothnig's description of the location of the formation "one of the most significant prehistoric cult areas of Europe"


Plates handed over to the German Federal Institute for Material Research (Bundesanstalt fur Materialpufung) in Berlin for scientific study ..and?-

"Plate one (silver color) consisted mainly of quite pure silver (what an understatement!), with an additional ingredient accounting for less than 0.1%. The weight of the plate was 4.98kg (11lbs). Plate two (bronze color) consisted of a copper-tin alloy (of which the tin content amounted to 10%-15%), nickel and traces of iron amounting to less than 0.1%".


that would be 99.9 % silver give or take .05%

these hoaxters got no respect for sacred land, or precious metals, why should I respect them?
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Got a link to the actual study?
 
chuck4842 said:
these hoaxters got no respect for sacred land, or precious metals, why should I respect them?
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You're reading in to that article what you're wanting to. The area in which the formation happened was "sacred", not the specific location itself. It's like describing Wiltshire as sacred because of Stonehenge and other such landmarks. That doesn't mean that the car park at Stonehenge is sacrilegious, any more than it does the field from your article is sacrilegious because the farmer farms on it.

And, as has already been mentioned in this thread, those lab reports you're talking about aren't real.

It's also very hard to understand what you mean when you talk about "respect for [...] precious metals". Nor, indeed, to understand why one person having no respect for precious metals means that you can safely write off a whole group of people.

Any more thoughts on the "Meaden Talks ****" thing, or are you now just going to pretend that you never brought it up?
 
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There is no frigging "Bundesanstalt fur Materialpufung"


But there is a "Bundesanstalt für Materialforschung und -prüfung" ETA a german from Thüringen would not have made such error. Or if he had forgogtten the "r" he would have used ue or ü , not u.

What the heck. I could get some plate done myself with a bit of effort, and that would cost me (currently) about 3000 euro only for the metal.

You think that's impressive ? Now if it was 5 kg of platinium or something rarer I would rise a brow, but 5 kg of silver ? Ha !

And that's not even rising the point that I would like to see a paper trail... Because that story sound fishy.
 
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It seems to me that when ancient treasure is unearthed, it often looks a bit of a mess--precious metals are bent out of shape (esp. soft ones like gold), dirty, corroded, etc. It is a long process to remove them carefully, clean them and study them to figure out what they are. Those plates look awfully clean, round, flat (except for the very crisp design), shiny and new to me.
 
Aepervius said:
What the heck. I could get some plate done myself with a bit of effort, and that would cost me (currently) about 3000 euro only for the metal.

You think that's impressive ? Now if it was 5 kg of platinium or something rarer I would rise a brow, but 5 kg of silver ? Ha !
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If you were claiming fake lab results, you could make it out of tin and claim it was made out of silver.
 
Sceptic Tank said:
If you were claiming fake lab results, you could make it out of tin and claim it was made out of silver.
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The place that supposedly tested these was the German Federal Institute for Material Research (Bundesanstalt fur Materialpufung), but it later transpired that they had no record of ever testing these plates. So looks like you're right, they could have been made out of anything. :)
 
Aepervius said:
And that's not even rising the point that I would like to see a paper trail... Because that story sound fishy.
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If you want a bit more fish (or even some fresh squid) with it, think on that these incredibly important plates which would conclusively prove not only the existence of alien life visiting our planet but also clear up the mystery of the crop circles, did not simply disappear without a trace. The man who found them actually cut the gold one in half and errrr.... lost half of it (for reason's known only to himself), so the anonymous industrialist who 'bought' them, only got half the gold plate... According to the story. :confused:
 
tsig said:
Gold! gold! gold! gold! Bright and yellow, hard and cold!
Author: Thomas Hood
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Not the Dickens then?


"Gold conjures up a mist about a man, more destructive of all his old senses and lulling to his feelings than the fumes of charcoal."
- Charles Dickens (Nicholas Nickleby)
 
Angel Love said:
Thanks Akhenaten, I look forward to grazing around these parts.




:) I suppose it was based upon the assumption that UFOs were saucer shaped, therefor based on that presumption it might seem logical to some that the original simple crop circles were landing spots if they were that way inclined.
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Aircraft are more or less cross-shaped. Do they make cross-shaped landing marks?

Look, welcome to the forum, and realize that this is not an attempt to put you down. It is just that these beliefs are full of these unbased arguments:

- Crop cirles resemble UFO landing marks. How do we know what UFO landing marks look like?

- UFOs are saucer shaped, so their landing marks may look like saucer imprints (actually not very likely, as they will probably have some kind of undercarriage).

- How do we know UFOs are saucer shaped? Well, some of the reports have them to be saucer shaped.

- Etc. (and sooner or later the argumentation comes full circle and crop circles becomes evidence for UFOs)

Basic fact: There exists no incontrovertible evidence that UFOs exist at all, much less that they are saucer shaped, or entities cabable of landing anywhere. Until such evidence exists, labelling anything as 'UFO landing marks' is empty fabulation.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
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Basic fact: There exists no incontrovertible evidence that UFOs exist at all, much less that they are saucer shaped, or entities cabable of landing anywhere. Until such evidence exists, labelling anything as 'UFO landing marks' is empty fabulation.

Hans
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Exactly.

This reminds me of the way so many people seem to know exactly what Jeebus and Mary look like so they know how to spot them when they turn up on pieces of toast or whatever.
 
MRC_Hans said:
...snip.........and sooner or later the argumentation comes full circle and crop circles becomes evidence for UFOs)
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Circular reasoning. Arf.... :D

Akhenaten said:
Exactly.

This reminds me of the way so many people seem to know exactly what Jeebus and Mary look like so they know how to spot them when they turn up on pieces of toast or whatever.
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Or...
Person A: So, how do you know what Jesus looks like?
Person B: Haven't you seen the Turin Shroud?
A : How do you know that that's the face of Jesus?
B: Because it's Jesus' shroud....

:boggled:
 
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MRC_Hans said:
Aircraft are more or less cross-shaped. Do they make cross-shaped landing marks?

Look, welcome to the forum, and realize that this is not an attempt to put you down. It is just that these beliefs are full of these unbased arguments:
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Wow, thanks Hans, you're quick off the mark and please don't think I think you were trying to put me down. I was not suggesting for a second that I think this, merely suggesting an answer to a question that was asked. ;)

I've seen crop circles being made and it wasn't by a UFO :D
 
23_Tauri said:
Circular reasoning. Arf.... :D


Or...
Person A: So, how do you know what Jesus looks like?
Person B: Haven't you seen the Turin Shroud?
A : How do you know that that's the face of Jesus?
B: Because that's what Jesus looks like...

:boggled:
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:wackyyes:


Angel Love said:
Wow, thanks Hans, you're quick off the mark and please don't think I think you were trying to put me down. I was not suggesting for a second that I think this, merely suggesting an answer to a question that was asked. ;)
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Fair dinkum, ya can't get away with anything here.

:)


Angel Love said:
I've seen crop circles being made and it wasn't by a UFO :D
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Are we talking about those little, tiny crop circles that are just big enough for two people? I've been involved in a couple of those myself.

;)
 
Then it was a UFO... it's just that the 'F' doesn't stand for what it usually stands for :D
 
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