Crop circle debunking help needed

[Lamuella]

Thanks, we agree than.

so... your plan to police the fields of cambridgeshire on a small budget?

 

[chuck4842]

yet it's impossible that all these crop circles were made by humans because... farmers have dogs and spend their nights watching their fields?

I don't think it's impossible, I'm trying to look at the evidence of both sides. It most likely is humans, but there are plenty of humans who claim it isn't. The vids of people making formations never show beginning to end and if they do, and the formation looks great, it's usually smaller and took more than a day.

I like your summation though. I'm never allowed that.

 

[Lamuella]

Well, I must say I'm confused by all of this. Cambridgeshire is not in the South of England, it's in East Anglia, and the fields they have there are huge.

I'm perfectly happy to switch to Dorset for the purposes of this discussion.

 

[23_Tauri]

FYI chuckie, Cambs Police budget for 2010-11 was £145.2 million, of which they spent £142.2m.

http://www.cambs-pa.gov.uk/Our_Work.cfm?SectionId=7

Please show, with workings, how you can do a better job on a 'small' budget.

 

[23_Tauri]

Well, I must say I'm confused by all of this. Cambridgeshire is not in the South of England, it's in East Anglia, and the fields they have there are huge.

Cambridgeshire has had a few crop circles over the years, Zoot. Here's one:

http://www.newhuman.co.uk/cropcircle.html

 

[chuck4842]

Errr... no, I don't think we do.

So, how are you going to police Cambridgeshire on a small budget again?

And please post a formation based on sacred geometry so Stray Cat can show you how it's done.

Thank you.

I did do this already in this thread and it took alot of research to wit I was drawn into an another debate , so look it up yourself. It was something about not being able to erase reference points, yada yada yada.

 

[Stray Cat]

I did do this already in this thread and it took alot of research to wit I was drawn into an another debate , so look it up yourself. It was something about not being able to erase reference points, yada yada yada.

So because of something you can't remember, you can't provide an example of something you claim is a bit odd?...

C'mon, you made a claim about sacred geometry.
Give me one example and I'll show you how easy it is.

 

[zooterkin]

Cambridgeshire has had a few crop circles over the years, Zoot. Here's one:

http://www.newhuman.co.uk/cropcircle.html

Pretty!

I was just thinking it would be even harder for this mythical insomniac farmer with time on his hands to monitor all his fields if he was in East Anglia than in the South West as my impression is that the farms are bigger and more remote.

 

[23_Tauri]

I did do this already in this thread and it took alot of research to wit I was drawn into an another debate , so look it up yourself. It was something about not being able to erase reference points, yada yada yada.

You mentioned it less than an hour ago, chuckie!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7946899#post7946899

Since that post, you have not provided us with an example. You said there had been "sacred geometry the likes we find in formations of the last ten years" so it shouldn't be too hard for you to give us one example, right?

 

[Akhenaten]

Perhaps they could be attached to sticks.

If putting a post in the ground is above your ability than yes. But most farmers are familiar with the activity.

My suggestion was in response to this comment of yours:

Motion sensors aren't high.

And made a hell of a lot more sense than anything you've had to say.

 

[23_Tauri]

Pretty!

A real cracker, isn't it? Humans could never have made it!

I was just thinking it would be even harder for this mythical insomniac farmer with time on his hands to monitor all his fields if he was in East Anglia than in the South West as my impression is that the farms are bigger and more remote.

Big fields are certainly good for making crop circles, and I think that the chalk lands of Wiltshire in the Pewsey Vale lend themselves to large fields. Ditto Salisbury plain. Bit like Cambridgeshire in this way.

 

[chuck4842]

FYI chuckie, Cambs Police budget for 2010-11 was £145.2 million, of which they spent £142.2m.

http://www.cambs-pa.gov.uk/Our_Work.cfm?SectionId=7

Please show, with workings, how you can do a better job on a 'small' budget.

Let's see, a motion activated pan and zoom camera with night vision good for 100 yards= 100 L thingy times however many farms = screw it. How about just one farm? Does anyone know the percent of the budget dedicated to catching circlemakers? None I bet.

 

[Stray Cat]

Does anyone know the percent of the budget dedicated to catching circlemakers? None I bet.

Congratulations, you got something right at last.

 

[23_Tauri]

Let's see, a motion activated pan and zoom camera with night vision good for 100 yards= 100 L thingy times however many farms = screw it.

I posted a GoogleEarth screen grab that showed you that the field under Milk Hill is over 900 yards long.

How about just one farm? Does anyone know the percent of the budget dedicated to catching circlemakers? None I bet.

Whose budget?

Show your cost-benefit analysis of money spent on catching circlemakers against the cost of damage caused.

Don't forget to include in your analysis the money farmers make from honesty boxes, and revenue for local pubs, restaurants and Bed and Breakfast hostelries from visitors attracted to crop circles each summer.

 

[zooterkin]

Let's see, a motion activated pan and zoom camera with night vision good for 100 yards= 100 L thingy times however many farms = screw it. How about just one farm?

Indeed; how many do you think you would need for just one field?

Does anyone know the percent of the budget dedicated to catching circlemakers? None I bet.

How much do you think they should be spending?

 

[Akhenaten]

I don't think it's impossible, I'm trying to look at the evidence of both sides.

And the evidence for aliens consists of _____________ ?

It most likely is humans, but there are plenty of humans who claim it isn't.

Those aren't humans. They're aliens disguised as humans and their mission is to sow the seeds of confusion.

It's working a treat.

The vids of people making formations never show beginning to end and if they do, and the formation looks great, it's usually smaller and took more than a day.

Therefore aliens?

Mad deductive skillz, chuck.

I like your summation though. I'm never allowed that.

Don't you just hate it when reality gangs up on you?

 

[chuck4842]

You mentioned it less than an hour ago, chuckie!

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=7946899#post7946899

Since that post, you have not provided us with an example. You said there had been "sacred geometry the likes we find in formations of the last ten years" so it shouldn't be too hard for you to give us one example, right?

OK! The 1998 Tawsmead Copse formation as an example. Draw that as if in a field with plank and rope.

 

[chuck4842]

Don't you just hate it when reality gangs up on you?

I do, you crack me up though.

 

[Akhenaten]

OK! The 1998 Tawsmead Copse formation as an example. Draw that as if in a field with plank and rope.

http://www.zefdamen.nl/CropCircles/...awsmead98/Reconstruction1998TawsmeadCopse.htm


Anything else?

 

[Stray Cat]

http://www.zefdamen.nl/CropCircles/...awsmead98/Reconstruction1998TawsmeadCopse.htm


Anything else?

Poor Zef never did get the whole simplicity thing.

I'd be interested to know what 'Sacred Geometry' Chuck claims is in this formation though.
And as his original claim mentioned "within the last 10 years", why he'd then go on to choose a formation that's outside his own time frame.