Continuation: 'What about building 7?'

[Tony Szamboti]

Then you need to explain the early failure of the EMP.

Column 79 was very likely pulled high in the building (above the 40th floor) which caused the collapse of the east penthouse. An explanation for the kink in the east penthouse only requires column 79 to be pulled below it, not at the 13th floor.

It was probably done for better mass distribution before the main demolition because the east penthouse was eccentrically located on the roof and contained large heavy equipment.

 

[DGM]

Column 79 was very likely pulled high in the building (above the 40th floor) which caused the collapse of the east penthouse. An explanation for the kink in the east penthouse only requires column 79 to be pulled below it, not at the 13th floor.

It was probably done for better mass distribution before the main demolition because the east penthouse was eccentrically located on the roof and contained large heavy equipment.

Keep repeating "pulled", someday it will become a demolition term............

 

[Animal]

Ziggi is not on the wrong side of history. The only thing stopping a new investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 is politics as the NIST WTC 7 report's explanation is simply non-explanatory as he and many of us have shown in a detailed way here and elsewhere.

Wow......5 errors in two sentences. Another troof FAIL

 

[Animal]

Column 79 was very likely pulled high in the building (above the 40th floor) which caused the collapse of the east penthouse. An explanation for the kink in the east penthouse only requires column 79 to be pulled below it, not at the 13th floor.

It was probably done for better mass distribution before the main demolition because the east penthouse was eccentrically located on the roof and contained large heavy equipment.

Pulled? LMAO the last time I checked, this was not "throw back Thursday"

Pretty pathetic these long ago debunked claims are now getting recycled out of desperation.

 

[Ape of Good Hope]

It must be CD then.

"very likely", and his good friend "probably" say so.

 

[JSanderO]

What you see in the truth guys thinking is a series of "explanations" of observations... and ignoring other observations.... to reach an outcome... that they BELIEVE... what they WANT to see for whatever reason... usually an over arching distrust of and distaste for the USG and the media. The USG and the media may have agendas and may spin to advance them... and that is despicable.... and predictable. But the shoe-horning of 9/11 to fit an inside job-CD-false flag and an extremely complicated conspiracy without rehearsal or drills, where no one has leaked before of after the event is a bridge way way way too far.

My little grand daughter looked at a cloud the other day and told me she saw a fish. She liked the idea... she could even believe it was... she embraced the idea and began looking for other animals in the sky.

She will grow up and learn about the weather and clouds...

Truth people seem stuck in their irrational beliefs... believing them to be rational.

Willful ignorance.

 

[GlennB]

Column 79 was very likely pulled high in the building (above the 40th floor) which caused the collapse of the east penthouse. An explanation for the kink in the east penthouse only requires column 79 to be pulled below it, not at the 13th floor.

It was probably done for better mass distribution before the main demolition because the east penthouse was eccentrically located on the roof and contained large heavy equipment.

Yes, we know, but my comment was directed at Ziggi.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

What you see in the truth guys thinking is a series of "explanations" of observations... and ignoring other observations.... to reach an outcome... that they BELIEVE... what they WANT to see for whatever reason... usually an over arching distrust of and distaste for the USG and the media. The USG and the media may have agendas and may spin to advance them... and that is despicable.... and predictable. But the shoe-horning of 9/11 to fit an inside job-CD-false flag and an extremely complicated conspiracy without rehearsal or drills, where no one has leaked before of after the event is a bridge way way way too far.

My little grand daughter looked at a cloud the other day and told me she saw a fish. She liked the idea... she could even believe it was... she embraced the idea and began looking for other animals in the sky.

She will grow up and learn about the weather and clouds...

Truth people seem stuck in their irrational beliefs... believing them to be rational.

Willful ignorance.

I know truthers never !earn, and never will they are stuck in 9/11/2001 and will never get out.

 

[Belz...]

There was no looking for evidence of arson in the collapsed WTC 7 building and I don't see how they would ever find evidence that the fires were intentionally set in that situation.

That implies that YOU also cannot ever find evidence of said arson, and thus demolishes your entire argument.

 

[Belz...]

The logic shows it had to be arson.

if one thinks like a detective that is the only possible conclusion for how the fires in WTC 7 were started.

Correction: if one thinks like a conspiracy theorist the only possible conclusion is ALWAYS a conspiracy. There is no evidence of arson, by your own admission, that therefore the logic does NOT show that it had to be arson.

You have just defeated yourself.

 

[Oystein]

Column 79 was very likely pulled high in the building (above the 40th floor) which caused the collapse of the east penthouse. An explanation for the kink in the east penthouse only requires column 79 to be pulled below it, not at the 13th floor.

It was probably done for better mass distribution before the main demolition because the east penthouse was eccentrically located on the roof and contained large heavy equipment.

Why would good mass distribution be worth the trouble? Would the building not have collapsed without the EPH mass dropped a few floors early on?

 

[GlennB]

Why would good mass distribution be worth the trouble? Would the building not have collapsed without the EPH mass dropped a few floors early on?

It would have collapsed more like a building that had burnt for too long, so The Perps added the EMP tweak to make it look more like a CD. Because they could and to give the CIA a lesson in their awesomeness. This is proved by the fact that the CIA didn't pursue The Perps. It's logic.

 

[Miragememories]

Column 79 was very likely pulled high in the building (above the 40th floor) which caused the collapse of the east penthouse. An explanation for the kink in the east penthouse only requires column 79 to be pulled below it, not at the 13th floor.

It was probably done for better mass distribution before the main demolition because the east penthouse was eccentrically located on the roof and contained large heavy equipment.

Thank you for that explanation Tony.

That makes a great deal of sense.

The east penthouse housed very heavy a/c equipment and without the pre-dispersement achieved by dropping it prior to global collapse, 7WTC would have remained east side top heavy.

It would have been very difficult to obtain the observed balanced collapse from the lower floor core implosion without that east penthouse weight re-distribution.

For whatever reasons, it is apparent that those who engineered the collapse, went to great lengths to avoid the tremendous external damage that would have occurred had the 47-storey 7WTC toppled onto nearby buildings.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Thank you for that explanation Tony.

That makes a great deal of sense.

The east penthouse housed very heavy a/c equipment and without the pre-dispersement achieved by dropping it prior to global collapse, 7WTC would have remained east side top heavy.

It would have been very difficult to obtain the observed balanced collapse from the lower floor core implosion without that east penthouse weight re-distribution.

It also adds mass at the top of the proposed column to cause column failure and make natural collapse more not less likely. Tit for tat prove CD.

 

[GlennB]

Thank you for that explanation Tony.

That makes a great deal of sense.

The east penthouse housed very heavy a/c equipment and without the pre-dispersement achieved by dropping it prior to global collapse, 7WTC would have remained east side top heavy.

It would have been very difficult to obtain the observed balanced collapse from the lower floor core implosion without that east penthouse weight re-distribution.

For whatever reasons, it is apparent that those who engineered the collapse, went to great lengths to avoid the tremendous external damage that would have occurred had the 47-storey 7WTC toppled onto nearby buildings.

Refreshing to see you use sarcasm against a fellow Truther, MM.

 

[Animal]

Thank you for that explanation Tony.

That makes a great deal of sense.

The east penthouse housed very heavy a/c equipment and without the pre-dispersement achieved by dropping it prior to global collapse, 7WTC would have remained east side top heavy.

It would have been very difficult to obtain the observed balanced collapse from the lower floor core implosion without that east penthouse weight re-distribution.

For whatever reasons, it is apparent that those who engineered the collapse, went to great lengths to avoid the tremendous external damage that would have occurred had the 47-storey 7WTC toppled onto nearby buildings.

Wow......13+ years and you still cannot grasp that steel framed buildings will not topple.

 

[pgimeno]

Column 79 was very likely pulled high in the building (above the 40th floor) which caused the collapse of the east penthouse. An explanation for the kink in the east penthouse only requires column 79 to be pulled below it, not at the 13th floor.

Are you implying they used cables? That's new.

 

[JayUtah]

Ziggi is not on the wrong side of history.

13 years and counting. At what point does history start?

The only thing stopping a new investigation of the collapse of WTC 7 is politics...

No, it's more accurate to say that Truthers have inappropriately politicized what would otherwise have been a relatively straightforward and unremarkable exercise. The fact remains that a decade hence, the Truther movement is no closer to convincing the world a new WTC 7 investigation would reveal anything substantially different. They concentrate instead on grass-roots activism, as most other political movements do.

...as the NIST WTC 7 report's explanation is simply non-explanatory...

It's suitably explanatory to the vast majority of relevant qualified experts. Its method has been published in a leading peer-reviewed journal. Personal incredulity to the contrary is simply irrelevant.

...as he and many of us have shown in a detailed way here and elsewhere.

"Many" doesn't even amount to a tiny fraction of the relevant qualified experts -- and depending on the conspiracy theorist, none of the relevant qualified experts. "Here" is inconsequential, as Truthers gain absolutely nothing by declaring themselves the victor in some web forum. "Elswhere" obviously includes no venue of consequence, such as among expert groups and professional organizations or journals.

The heres and elsewheres comprise only the venues that will tolerate the discussion, because NIST and the rest of the expert world simply ignores Truthers. The discussion thus devolves into begging their critics to accept a specific role as NIST's proxy -- a frantic ploy for relevance. I can't imagine what you can possibly think you've shown, and to whom, and to what end. In my estimation you've simply spun the hamster wheel.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Are you implying they used cables? That's new.

No it's not we pulled a barn down with a D9 and a cable, old technology, didn't you see the oxen attached to WT7, moove it.

 

[Miragememories]

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No, it's more accurate to say that Truthers have inappropriately politicized what would otherwise have been a relatively straightforward and unremarkable exercise.

No. It has been appropriately politicized because no straightforward exercise ever took place.

The NIST and others went to great lengths to avoid 'smoking gun' controversy.