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Conservatives and climate change

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Why this icon? You were asked what you thought is true, not what is true. Much people in this site have a hard time telling the difference.

Nobody will criticize you for thinking it is true -unless you are also actively trying to diminish those who think otherwise or who provide proof of what they think being true or what you think not being true-.
 
I don't follow your point. Cow stomachs create methane, cow burps expel methane, methane is a greenhouse gas, we have alot of cows. Many studies later, many estimates of the impact, cows deemed relevant. Where does your argument from incredulity come in?
You mean, my refutation of Ben's condescending remark about cow farts not being a study of AGW fanatics?

With which I responded with a cow fart study.

Duhhh.....
 
amazing, often deniers claim we know so little about climate and what all is contributing to it, but when scinetists study every little known detail and even details that strike us as laughable brain farts just to increase the knowledge we have. it is laughed at.
yes cow farts, one little thing we know more, instead of saying for years we know so little and remain ignorant.
 
amazing, often deniers claim we know so little about climate and what all is contributing to it, but when scinetists study every little known detail and even details that strike us as laughable brain farts just to increase the knowledge we have. it is laughed at.
yes cow farts, one little thing we know more, instead of saying for years we know so little and remain ignorant.

Well said
 
You mean, my refutation of Ben's condescending remark about cow farts not being a study of AGW fanatics?

With which I responded with a cow fart study.

Duhhh.....

Actually, you linked a popular press article that presents that writer's perspective of the issue and his understanding of a scientific study related to that issue.

please indicate who you believe represents the "AGW fanatics" in this article and how this article supports and matchs your characterizations of the issue?
 
Cost? To who? It's all private industry.

Oops...
The US makes energy independence a national security matter, allowing squashing dissent and legal challenges to nuclear power plants by presidential executive order. Bonds are issued for funding of nuclear plants, to the order of a minimum of $100B per year for twenty years. New designs are put into production by US Government funding, including thorium reactors. A minimum of twenty reactors per year for ten years.

Seems this so-called "private industry" needs quite a bit of assistance from Big Government, not the least of which includes trampling the First Amendment.
 
Sure. If a legal protest against a nuclear plant is brought alleging damage to the snail darter population, then me and my minions put on jackboots, and go and squash every snail darter. If they try to hide, we bring out the handy dandy DDT.

A ruthless totalitarian method for dealing with snail darters, and cruel and oppressive to our little non voting not sentient friends of Gaia. Shocking?

Internet-tough-guy violent fantasies aside, your plan as a couple of flaws.

First of all, a snail darter is a fish, and DDT is an insecticide. (Looks like your knowledge of biology and chemistry is right up there with your knowledge of climatology.) As hilarious as it would be to watch a bunch of rednecks stomping around in a riverbed and using insecticide to try to kill a fish, it's probably not the most effective method to achieve your goal.

Secondly, lefty liberal loons are a wily bunch. They would probably be crafty enough to plan their protest on a day when Larry the Cable Guy was in town or McDonald's reintroduced the McRib. So your "minions" would be otherwise occupied.

But I will give your plan points for theatricality. It's runs the gamut from insanely stupid ("Let's go stomp some fish!") to just insane ("Let's poison an entire ecosystem!"). I've never seen something so filled with hateful crazy that wasn't a plot to kill James Bond.
 
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bwhahahaha!

Can't take a joke.

So silly.

And now you claim snail darters have First Amendment rights!
 
You mean, my refutation of Ben's condescending remark about cow farts not being a study of AGW fanatics?

With which I responded with a cow fart study.

Duhhh.....

You originally posted this:

mhaze said:
But even there we didn't get into massive subsidies of fantasy green nonsense, like the "hydrogen economy".

And the Very Important Studies on cows farting.

It's very obvious from the way that you posted it, that you were being sarcastic when you said that the studies were very important. You're trying to imply that the studies aren't very important, even though they've shown that cows contribute a relevant amount of greenhouse gas, which can help us combat the problem that 97% of experts recognise to exist.

Basically, you posted something that was wrong. That's all i'm saying.
 
bwhahahaha!

Can't take a joke.

It's not the taking of the joke so much as the understanding of it since the composition of your "joke" was roughly equal parts violent fantasy and painful stupidity. Also, jokes are usually funny.

And now you claim snail darters have First Amendment rights!

What a bizarre lie. Or maybe this is another "joke"... ?

Irregardless, the thought of ignorant hillbillies using their stompin' boots and insecticide to kill a fish is hilarious. Maybe that was the joke to which you referred...
 
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Snail Darters?! Is somebody channelling Lyndon Larouche? (Who nominally is a Democrat, BTW.)

Do you also think that the international drug trade is run by the Queen of England?

Do you also think that the only reason we don't have fusion energy is that the labor unions conspired with the Democrats to hush it up?
 
Thank you for so illuminating the OP, MHaze.

I think from your example, which we can safely generalize to all conservatives, that conservatives know nothing at all about this topic except what they find on tabloids and youtube.

Silly Democrats reading textbooks and citing sources! That's not how the game is played! Instead you need to bluster and ridicule people while learning as little as humanly possible about ANYTHING.
 
1. No, I thought it was obvious that private companies such as now do infrastructure and utilities would be involved.

So you see environmental concerns as obstructionist, but have no problem with corporate welfare, price gouging construction bidding, shoddy construction and operations practices, accounting malfeasance and incompetent management as acceptable? really?

So this step, as you describe it seems a waste of money more than a solution of anything other than how to transfer more tax dollars into the private coffers of fewer and fewer hands.

2. Methane. Other feedstocks are possible but more expensive. No subsidies for less efficient options.

If you are still burning previously sequestered carbon, you aren't reducing the emissions by simply converting the methane to methanol first. Again no addressment to issues of too much CO2 in the active carbon cycle.

3. Who? One country? The world?

As public policy must address issues at home before establishing any ability to guide or establish global policies, I am referring to the US. How long would it take (in a rough but considered, estimate), implementing your plan to get the US to the point of a negative net carbon emissions?

4. Cost? To who? It's all private industry. Wrong question, right question is what are the profits. From production of profits comes a healthy economy, jobs, and the ability to tax.

I'm speaking of whoever is issuing the bonds and trading value accrument, the diminishment of other bond sales. Federal bonds are debt that ultimately come back out of tax revenues.

I certainly wouldn't be automatically opposed to using Federally backed bond measures to establish a means to involve private and public investment in the future of our nation. I would rather see it run parallel, or in complement to a progressive, incremental, revenue-neutral, national carbon tax. Perhaps we could make zero-interest 20-year carbon bonds that are 2 for 1 deductable from carbon tax payables. On the books, larger companies might prefer to pay the 2 for 1 rate because the bonds would be a long-term asset rather than an annual liability. A large chunk of this money is going to have to be put toward making the system progressive and sustainable, another must look at investing the money into projects and programs that lead to a net carbon negative economy.

Then we can look at how the rest of the world is doing with a more critical eye.
 
So you see environmental concerns as obstructionist, but have no problem with corporate welfare, price gouging construction bidding, shoddy construction and operations practices, accounting malfeasance and incompetent management as acceptable? really?

So this step, as you describe it seems a waste of money more than a solution of anything other than how to transfer more tax dollars into the private coffers of fewer and fewer hands. .....
Oh, but environmental "concerns" have stalled or derailed numerous nuclear plants. This is a history that's been written up. And a steady, long term program to build nuclear plants simply has got to deal with crank lawsuits.

In fact, my plan to make energy independence or at least the nuclear part of it, a national security matter, not only makes common sense, but is the only way to enable the building of large numbers of nuclear plants on a schedule.

....If you are still burning previously sequestered carbon, you aren't reducing the emissions by simply converting the methane to methanol first. Again no addressment to issues of too much CO2 in the active carbon cycle.
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Really? Since a lot of methane is burned off at well heads, to the extent that was recovered and used as liquid fuel...


....As public policy must address issues at home before establishing any ability to guide or establish global policies, I am referring to the US. ....
Right. You can't get the people of the US to agree with your wacko carbon control schemes, so therefore you shouldn't expect to fool the rest of the world, either.

.....I'm speaking of whoever is issuing the bonds and trading value accrument, the diminishment of other bond sales. Federal bonds are debt that ultimately come back out of tax revenues.

I certainly wouldn't be automatically opposed to using Federally backed bond measures to establish a means to involve private and public investment in the future of our nation. I would rather see it run parallel, or in complement to a progressive, incremental, revenue-neutral, national carbon tax. Perhaps we could make zero-interest 20-year carbon bonds that are 2 for 1 deductable from carbon tax payables. On the books, larger companies might prefer to pay the 2 for 1 rate because the bonds would be a long-term asset rather than an annual liability. A large chunk of this money is going to have to be put toward making the system progressive and sustainable, another must look at investing the money into projects and programs that lead to a net carbon negative economy.

Well, that's crazy talk. Diminishment of other bond sales? Bonds are auctioned, and those I refer to, would be bonds on profitable, energy producers. They have a product that people want to buy, they can produce it cheap, hence they can make a profit and pay interest on the bonds. Hence, people would buy the bonds. It's of no concern to me if these bonds compete with others for investment capitol. They SHOULD.

  • creates millions of jobs
  • reduces car fuel costs
  • reduces electricity costs
  • moves the US balance of payments to hundreds of billion positive per year from hundreds of billions negative
  • brings the US out of the depression using the energy industry as a fulcrum
  • eliminates our dependence on foreign, hostile oil sources
  • accomplishes all of the above with private funding
  • accomplishes all of the above with private industry


....Then we can look at how the rest of the world is doing with a more critical eye.

Yes, we certainly need to look at our own affairs with a critical eye.

Gee, that's what I've done. But come to think of it, we could certainly look at Germany's solar farms with a critical eye, and Spain's economic collapse, largely engendered by their Greenies and their silly wind farms. We could look at Australia's backing out of the carbon scam, too. And the Euro collapsing. Not to mention the US debt and forecasts of the future ballistic trajectory of the US dollar.

A critical eye.

Indeed...
 
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