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Consciousness question

From the article:

"It is a matter of identifying that pursuit which you are truly passionate about and attempting to give yourself absolutely to it. In so doing, you will find your fullest potential and serve your community to the greatest possible extent."

That's not serving your community. That's the apex of selfishness; of brutal arrogance and lack of regard for the wellbeing of others. We serve our communities by completing tasks that others fear to undertake. We serve our communities by contributing what others can't.

Sorry, bit of a derail there.
 
Frinkiak7 said:
From the article:

"It is a matter of identifying that pursuit which you are truly passionate about and attempting to give yourself absolutely to it. In so doing, you will find your fullest potential and serve your community to the greatest possible extent."

That's not serving your community. That's the apex of selfishness; of brutal arrogance and lack of regard for the wellbeing of others. We serve our communities by completing tasks that others fear to undertake. We serve our communities by contributing what others can't.

Sorry, bit of a derail there.
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So, this makes you a terribly selfish person because you enjoy going to the movies? If you don't enjoy doing something, then why do it?
 
Iacchus said:
If you don't enjoy doing something, then why do it?
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Not my point at all. Campbell stated that bliss involved "attempting to give yourself absolutely to [your passion]". In other words, pursuing your own desires to the exclusion of all else. Fulfilling your desires is not (always) selfish; fulfilling your desires while deliberately ignoring the rest of the world is.
 
Iacchus said:
Have you read the book? Chapters 5, 8 and 9 are all quite enlightening.
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Yes, your book is enlightening if anybody is interested in finding out how you got so screwed up. It really is a sad story how you became what you are, but our pity is lessened greatly by the fact that you have no interest in getting well.
 
Dark Jaguar said:
So I was using the wrong terminology all along. Thanks! And yeah, I'm afraid I drifted off of what computers can use as data currently and got caught up in exactly what could be called, at least in theory, a bit, as far as it was possible to take it at least.
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Data is nothing more than an impression, that one thing leaves upon another.
 
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Tricky said:
Yes, your book is enlightening if anybody is interested in finding out how you got so screwed up. It really is a sad story how you became what you are, but our pity is lessened greatly by the fact that you have no interest in getting well.
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Yes, I wholeheartedly agree, one of us has his head stuck up his arse. ;)
 
Iacchus, the visions you describe in your book. Do you continue to have such visions, and if so, do they occur while sleeping, upon waking up, or while fully awake long after being asleep? And also, how often?
 
Frinkiak7 said:
Not my point at all. Campbell stated that bliss involved "attempting to give yourself absolutely to [your passion]". In other words, pursuing your own desires to the exclusion of all else. Fulfilling your desires is not (always) selfish; fulfilling your desires while deliberately ignoring the rest of the world is.
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Oh really, it's of my understanding that those people who are best at what they do, are those who enjoy doing it the most. I mean if you really hated your job, how much better do you think someone who really enjoyed doing it would be at it?
 
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SuperCoolGuy said:
Iacchus, the visions you describe in your book. Do you continue to have such visions, and if so, do they occur while sleeping, upon waking up, or while fully awake long after being asleep? And also, how often?
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Yes, I continue to have visions, but not nearly so symbolic as in the book. Most of it occurs at the moment I fall asleep or, prior to waking up, not to mention that I'm always dreaming (while sleeping ;)) and occasionly have some very vivid ones.
 
I think I'll only add that Iaachus commented "but hey, you don't actually exist". I think this is a bit of a misunderstanding of what we have said. Not once have we questioned the existance of conciousness. We have merely questioned it's nature. Would it even matter if it was an energy form or our brain reactions? How does a strange spirit make our conciousness more "real" in any way?
 
Iacchus said:
Oh really, it's of my understanding that those people who are best at what they do, are those who enjoy doing it the most. I mean like if you really hated your job, how much better do you think someone who really enjoyed doing it would be at it?
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The pleasure you experience when doing something has nothing to do with your skill. I know people who absolutely love to cook, but would be hard-pressed to get their dogs to eat the results. While it may be true that you are more prone to do things that you enjoy, it doesn't mean that you can do those things (or that one thing, as Campbell states) and never do anything else. To do so would be unspeakably selfish, as I said.
 
Iacchus said:
Yes, I continue to have visions, but not nearly so symbolic as in the book. Most of it occurs at the moment I fall asleep or, prior to waking up, not to mention that I'm always dreaming (while sleeping ;)) and occasionly have some very vivid ones.
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Well, I appreciate your sense of importance in your past visions and the subsequent revelations they have provided you.

I wish you the best of health and good luck with your book.

SCG
 
Dark Jaguar said:
Would it even matter if it was an energy form or our brain reactions? How does a strange spirit make our conciousness more "real" in any way?
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If there was an entirely different realm beyond the scope of what we now experience, yes it would matter.
 
I however would want him to at least write the book rationally or not at all. However, I have a feeling neither will take place based on the observations of him in this thread.
 
Frinkiak7 said:
The pleasure you experience when doing something has nothing to do with your skill. I know people who absolutely love to cook, but would be hard-pressed to get their dogs to eat the results. While it may be true that you are more prone to do things that you enjoy, it doesn't mean that you can do those things (or that one thing, as Campbell states) and never do anything else. To do so would be unspeakably selfish, as I said.
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If you don't love working with people, the worst thing you could do is "try" to help. That to me, is what comes accross as being "selfish." There is nothing but "misgivings" all over the place.
 
Iacchus said:
If there was an entirely different realm beyond the scope of what we now experience, yes it would matter.
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In what way? Scientifically, sure. In the sense of wonder and awe at such a place? Again, the answer is yes.

However, would that really make any difference in making our conciousness somehow "more grand" or "more important"? I see no reason to think so, no matter HOW "beyond" this new realm might be. What happens in that new place? What if yet another said "oh maybe you CLAIM all our conciousness is is a spirit wave form of 20 dimensions, but no way! There has to be more to conciousness than that, because that doesn't explain why we are "Aware"! There must be some higher plane!"

What aspect of this plane would prevent someone in that higher plane from considering that to just be "the physical" and thinking there had to be some higher mystical place where conciousness was?
 
Mercutio said:
By that reasoning, Iacchus, if you truly are interested in consciousness, you would be simply devouring the various articles, videos, books, and other resources that people have pointed out to you. Why do you not? Do you think Campbell had it wrong? Why quote him, then?
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Iacchus said:
There was in fact a point when I did do all of these things.
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I doubt that very much. Certainly, there is no evidence of it either in your interaction with people here or in your book. If you indeed did once devour that sort of information, you must have followed it with a strong emetic.
 
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