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Consciousness question

Iacchus said:
I find nothing ignorant about that statement, to be honest. I guess it all depends on what side of the chasm you're standing on. ;)
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You find nothing ignorant about that statement because you know nothing of either the science behind quantum physics or the science behind the experience of mind. It is no surprise at all that you do not see the fault in that sentence. I cannot see too many faults in things written in languages I do not understand, either.
 
Iacchus said:
Who's Libet?
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Someone whose experiment speaks to the issues you claim to be interested in. Someone whose experiment is discussed and demonstrated in the second of the videos I recommended to you. Someone whose name, had you watched them the first time I recommended them, would have been familiar to you for months now.
How about that? Testable and verifiable. Maybe I am getting across? :D
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Testable and falsifiable, you mean. And no, you are not getting across. You are simply getting predictable.
 
SuperCoolGuy said:
No, you mean YOUR imagination can be a very powerful tool.

After all, you were the one who got to the side of the chasm you're on.
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From the article ...

Science and spirituality, science and mysticism, have converged. It’s a done deal and its there in our mutual interest in consciousness.
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Yes, this is it. I'm not sure that the bridge is already there, however, gadged upon the responses I get from the folks on this site. Look at all of Mercutio's blathering for example. Sorry Merc, but it is entirely possible that you are wrong. ;)
 
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Iacchus said:
From the article ...

Yes, this is it. I'm not sure that the bridge is already there, however, gadged upon the responses I get from the folks on this site. Look at all of Mercutio's blathering for example. Sorry Merc, but it is entirely possible that you are wrong. ;)
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So have you been channeling Dr. Michael Sharp's views, and if so, why haven't you mentioned chakras yet?
 
The Biology Of Belief: Unleashing The Power Of Consciousness, Matter And Miracles
by Bruce H. Lipton

Is this something you would recommend, Iacchus?
 
Mercutio said:
Someone whose experiment speaks to the issues you claim to be interested in. Someone whose experiment is discussed and demonstrated in the second of the videos I recommended to you. Someone whose name, had you watched them the first time I recommended them, would have been familiar to you for months now.
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I learn when I'm ready to learn. Now, does this sound like any kind of religious indoctrination you're familiar with? Actually, I believe Einstein made a very similar comment to this, after having to endure the scrutiny of his college exams. Saying it's no wonder he had any desire to lean anything at all afterwards and, that he seriously reconsidered becoming a scientist.

Testable and falsifiable, you mean. And no, you are not getting across. You are simply getting predictable.
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No, consistent.
 
Iacchus said:
Yes, this is it. I'm not sure that the bridge is already there, however, gadged upon the responses I get from the folks on this site. Look at all of Mercutio's blathering for example. Sorry Merc, but it is entirely possible that you are wrong. ;)
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It is, and has always been, possible that I am wrong. That would not bother me in the least. If you demonstrate that I am wrong, I will have learned something, and will be wiser for it.

I have said, countless times here, that I strongly encourage you to prove me wrong--to bring the evidence to the table. You have never done so. Not once. Now, you are citing a website that you were only made aware of because we were making fun of it? Sorry, Iacchus--appealing to that particular authority does not bolster your case. It is a major step forward for you, though, and I applaud it. Now, go and critically examine the evidence in that site. Try to poke holes in it as hard as you try to poke holes in what I have said. You will find that it is not a strong argument at all. Or rather, SuperCoolGuy probably will; I doubt you will be willing to critically scrutinize something that you already believe agrees with you.
 
Iacchus said:
No, consistent.
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Consistency in the face of a changing environment is a recipe for extinction. You are indeed consistent; you have maintained the same bad analogies and bad theories despite numerous dissections which showed them to be without merit. Your consistency is nothing to be proud of here.
 
SuperCoolGuy said:
So have you been channeling Dr. Michael Sharp's views, and if so, why haven't you mentioned chakras yet?
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Chakras? That's Hinduism isn't it? I believe Dr. Judith Orloff is into chakras. Oh, the link to her site seems to be down at the moment. However, I attempted to bring up a discussion about her on this page, although it didn't really go anywhere.
 
Mercutio said:
Consistency in the face of a changing environment is a recipe for extinction. You are indeed consistent; you have maintained the same bad analogies and bad theories despite numerous dissections which showed them to be without merit. Your consistency is nothing to be proud of here.
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Hey, I don't plan to live forever, not in this world anyway. ;)
 
Iacchus said:
Chakras? That's Hinduism isn't it? I believe Dr. Judith Orloff is into chakras. Oh, the link to her site seems to be down at the moment. However, I attempted to bring up a discussion about her on this page, although it didn't really go anywhere.
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Orloff: number of publications in peer-reviewed journals....0. None. Nada. According to Ebscohost database search, just now.

She can be "into" them as much as she wants; she brings no weight to the discussion.
 
Iacchus said:
Hey, I don't plan to live forever, not in this world anyway. ;)
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And this is relevant because....

...oh, wait. Is it because you have already written off this life as a waste, and see no need to improve yourself this time around?
 
It is becoming abundantly obvious to me that there are plenty of sources out there that mirror you line of thinking, Iacchus.

The problem with these sources, in essence, lies in the misinterpretation of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, misunderstanding of the EPR experiment, and lack of understanding the physiology and neuroscience of conciousness in the brain.

In a nutshell, this line of thinking puts God/conciousness in the statistical probalities of localities in subatomic particles (vibrations), using the EPR experiment to imply "information" as something that transcends space/time, linking conciousness and information (or data) together, and making conciousness that which unifies the universe while being something not of this universe.

How am I doing so far?
 
SuperCoolGuy said:
It is becoming abundantly obvious to me that there are plenty of sources out there that mirror you line of thinking, Iacchus.
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What, just after one or two links?

The problem with these sources, in essence, lies in the misinterpretation of Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle, misunderstanding of the EPR experiment, and lack of understanding the physiology and neuroscience of conciousness in the brain.
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I know that I don't know, and of that I'm certain. Or, was it Socrates that said that? ... Regardless, it is possible to be certain of at least one thing.

In a nutshell, this line of thinking puts God/conciousness in the statistical probalities of localities in subatomic particles (vibrations), using the EPR experiment to imply "information" as something that transcends space/time, linking conciousness and information (or data) together, and making conciousness that which unifies the universe while being something not of this universe.

How am I doing so far?
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Either it all emanates from the Mind of God or it doesn't. I'm one of those who chooses to believe that it does.
 
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Iacchus said:
Oh, so this is why you persist? :confused:
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From anyone else, I'd think that was a feeble attempt at humor.

From you, I'm sure it's because you simply forgot your earlier post.

But that's OK. If I serve no other purpose in this life but to be a thorn in your side I'll consider it a life well spent.
 
Iacchus said:
What, just after one or two links?

I know that I don't know, and of that I'm certain. Or, was it Socrates that said that? ... Regardless, it is possible to be certain of at least one thing.

Either it all emanates from the Mind of God or it doesn't. I'm one of those who chooses to believe that it does.
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Yes

Using Socrates to champion and validate ignorance is not cool.

Interestingly, I believe in God as well. But I refuse to use a superficial, glossed interpretation of reality to suit my personal spiritual fix.

Humanity makes progress when it recognizes ignorance and does something to fix it, not glorify it.
 
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