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Consciousness question

Iacchus said:
Which of course only illustrates that the body is vessel which houses consciousness.
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Ladies and Gentleman. He is just teasing us. I might add that he does a pretty good job as he is keeping us here, answering his questions.

One respectable member will ask him. - Its the number one, see the shape Iacchus?

- Nope, thats number two.

Our respectable member will insist - Ok, lets try another strategy, ask someone who knows, like a mathematician.

- They are wrong, thats not number one, its number two.

Our dear and respectable member will ask for a third time. - Lets try another thing. This is the number 1, do you see it now?

- Nope, you are wrong. Thats number two.
 
Iacchus said:
Which of course only illustrates that the body is vessel which houses consciousness.
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...and when we blow out a candle's flame, where does it go? It is clearly no longer there, and since candles only channel flame that arrives as a signal from somewhere else, it clearly is returning to that place when you blow it out!

Iacchus said:
I could be completey wrong. Is that what you would have me say?
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Um...I don't think anyone here is hazy on the concept that you might be wrong. The trick is, there is a chance you are right. How would you know if you were? How could we? This is what is important. If you are right, we need to re-interpret several hundred years of biology and physics, and over a century of psychology, in order to see how what we thought we understood was actually wrong. If you are right, it will be the biggest revolution in thought since Einstein, or perhaps since Copernicus. But of course, it is possible that you are right. All we need is evidence. We don't need any more evidence that you could be wrong. There is plenty of that. You don't need to acquiesce to that...but it would be nice to see the first bit of evidence that you are right.

Oh...and 2 more things. Reminders, really. You are lapsing back into your favorite circular arguments (such as "obviously you need consciousness for your brain to work, and when you are unconscious, your consciousness has left for another plane", that sort of thing), and I know you really don't want to use circular arguments...and secondly, despite saying it isn't all that important, you are once more making claims of fact about things you have refused to look at the factual evidence for. The things you say are quite simply wrong, and demonstrably so, after repeated offers of information through which you could correct your misstatements.

An accurate description of what you do here is very different from an insult; in this case, confusion might be understandable.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
Ladies and Gentleman. He is just teasing us. I might add that he does a pretty good job as he is keeping us here, answering his questions.
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I disagree. The things he says here, he has said for years on his own site. He is not teasing; he is actively and aggressively ignorant.
 
Mercutio said:
I disagree. The things he says here, he has said for years on his own site. He is not teasing; he is actively and aggressively ignorant.
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Careful Merc! After all, calling Iacchus ignorant is a naughty ad hom which will lead him to run crying to his mommy the mods.
 
Iacchus said:
Why don't you just shut up.
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Ah hah! Trying to oppress my free expression of my opinions, you fascist, you! You shall never silence me, you wiper of other people's bottoms! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!

:p
 
Genesius said:
Ah hah! Trying to oppress my free expression of my opinions, you fascist, you! You shall never silence me, you wiper of other people's bottoms! Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries!

:p
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Grow up. ;)
 
Mercutio said:
I disagree. The things he says here, he has said for years on his own site. He is not teasing; he is actively and aggressively ignorant.
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It is just that I dont believe someone can be as stubborn. Oh well, maybe you are right. Its scary. Someone who will simply not see, maybe because he simply cant, other points of view. An individual who is uncapable of learn. A guy who relies exclusively on deeply flawed logic and is simply happy about it.

I guess you are right. The world is populated by people like that, thankfully he is not a leader of some country. At least this is a good thing.
 
Bodhi Dharma Zen said:
It is just that I dont believe someone can be as stubborn. Oh well, maybe you are right. Its scary. Someone who will simply not see, maybe because he simply cant, other points of view. An individual who is uncapable of learn. A guy who relies exclusively on deeply flawed logic and is simply happy about it.

I guess you are right. The world is populated by people like that, thankfully he is not a leader of some country. At least this is a good thing.
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Hey, science is great ... so far as it goes.
 
Mercutio said:
...and when we blow out a candle's flame, where does it go? It is clearly no longer there, and since candles only channel flame that arrives as a signal from somewhere else, it clearly is returning to that place when you blow it out!
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Aside from the fact that it flickers, is there anything sentient or, animate about a candle? Ever see a candle get up of its own accord and make a piece of toast? Ever see one candle speak to another, and talk about something entirely outside of their realm? Say like the mugging that occurred at the bus stop yesterday?
 
Iacchus said:
Hey, science is great ... so far as it goes.
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Thats the point dear Iacchus. This has nothing to do with anything I said. Im curious about your purpose in this forums. I guess is not to learn, and Im willing to bet that its not to convince us. So, whats your goal?

I will tell you mine. Learn to think and discuss in an intelligent manner. Im also doing some kind of research regarding our belief systems, and I feel that trying to understand people like you (this is, people who honestly believe a different thing that what I believe) will get me closer to understand whats the common ground to beliefs in general.
 
Iacchus, let me ask you this. RAM certainly doesn't maintain data when you turn a computer off, so, where does that data go?
 
Iacchus said:
Hey, science is great ... so far as it goes.
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And how does science go further. Evidence!

How do you win an argument. Evidence!

What have you brought to the table?

Iacchus said:
Obviously consciousness resides within the brain, so in that sense they are not separate. Whereas if they were "inseparable," why doesn't it remain within the brain when a person dies? And why do we so often refer to this person as "no longer being home" when this happens? Surely this is evidence in favor of "a soul."
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Surely you can't be serious! Colloquial expressions are evidence of phenomenon outside the realm of scientific knowledge?!?!?!

Hmmmmmm . . . .

I just recently read somewhere that foot placement on cement crevices can cause transverse vibrational waves to propagate through the Earth's crust and couple to anharmonic states specific to the DNA frequencies nearly identical to the DNA within the very foot that caused the waves, which can lead to localize resonance responses within the lumbar vertebrae, leading to severe fracture.

Oh my god, stepping on a crack CAN break my mother's back!!!!
They were right all along!!!!!!!
 
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