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Consciousness question

Iacchus said:
A brain with or without consciousness? So yes, it requires more than just "a brain."
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Proof? Show some evidence that "conciousness" is totally separate from the brain.

Again, evidence, not "I'm a mystic and I say so, so that's the way it is."
 
Genesuis,
I think the following quote sums it up nicely...

CHARLIE BROWN:
Oh, Good Grief! (He exits, from off stage there is a hollow thumping sound.)

LINUS:
Why is Charlie Brown banging his head against that tree?

LUCY:
To loosen the bark to make the tree grow faster!
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From here
 
Iacchus said:
A brain with or without consciousness? So yes, it requires more than just "a brain."
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To anyone else out there:

Did I make it clear enough why consciousness is completely from the brain in this thread. I just want to make sure I'm arguing correctly.
 
SuperCoolGuy said:
To anyone else out there:

Did I make it clear enough why consciousness is completely from the brain in this thread. I just want to make sure I'm arguing correctly.
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To you, me, and anyone else capable of logical thought, yes.

If you want to get through to Iacchus, you need to find a website with an English to Mystical Gibberish translator.
 
SuperCoolGuy said:
Thank you.

I've come to realize discussing anything with Iacchus is merely an exercise in mental masochism.
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I suggest you practice using the following smilies:

:confused:

:jaw-dropp

:crazy:

:dl:

:hb:

:bwall

And if he gets to be too much, there's one more useful smilie:

:alc:
 
Genesius said:
Proof? Show some evidence that "conciousness" is totally separate from the brain.

Again, evidence, not "I'm a mystic and I say so, so that's the way it is."
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Obviously consciousness resides within the brain, so in that sense they are not separate. Whereas if they were "inseparable," why doesn't it remain within the brain when a person dies? And why do we so often refer to this person as "no longer being home" when this happens? Surely this is evidence in favor of "a soul."

You have your evidence.
 
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Iacchus said:
Obviously consciousness resides within the brain, so in that sense they are not separate. Whereas if they were "inseparable," why doesn't it remain within the brain when a person dies?
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It does. When the brain dies, so does the consciousness. Game over.

And why do we so often refer to this person as "no longer being home" when this happens? Surely this is evidence in favor of "a soul."
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When we think someone is very stupid, we say "The lights are on but nobody's home". By your line of reasoning, stupid people have no soul.

You have your evidence.
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:jaw-dropp
You actually consider that evidence. Amazing. . .
 
Genesius said:
It does. When the brain dies, so does the consciousness. Game over.
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No, the fact that consciousness is no longer there, is evidence that it no longer resides in the brain.


When we think someone is very stupid, we say "The lights are on but nobody's home". By your line of reasoning, stupid people have no soul.
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Yes, we should be very careful about making such accusations against other people.

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You actually consider that evidence. Amazing. . .
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Yes, and if I were in a court of law, this is the very evidence (amongst other things) I would use to argue on behalf of my case.
 
Iacchus said:
No, the fact that consciousness is no longer there, is evidence that it no longer resides in the brain.
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No, the fact that the consciousness is no longer there is evidence that it has been snuffed out like a candle flame.

I know you want to believe that "you" will continue after your body dies, but remember the old saying: "Wishing don't make it so."
 
Genesius said:
No, the fact that the consciousness is no longer there is evidence that it has been snuffed out like a candle flame.
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I think we both can conclude that it's no longer there.

I know you want to believe that "you" will continue after your body dies, but remember the old saying: "Wishing don't make it so."
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And when's the last time you talked to a candle and it replied? When's the last time you talked to somebody on the phone, and they hung up on you? Now, just because they hung up on you, does that mean they are no longer conscious?
 
Iacchus said:
When's the last time you talked to somebody on the phone, and they hung up on you? Now, just because they hung up on you, does that mean they are no longer conscious?
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There are a number of ways you could find out whether or not their consciousness still existed. You could try calling them back. If they lived near, you could go over and see them. You could even hire a detective to find if their consciousness still exists. But how do you go about finding if a dead person's consciousness exists? Private eyes work for a few hundred or perhaps thousand dollars. If you could prove post-life consciousness you could get a million dollars.

Do you see now how ridiculous your analogy is?
 
Iacchus said:
And when's the last time you talked to a candle and it replied? When's the last time you talked to somebody on the phone, and they hung up on you? Now, just because they hung up on you, does that mean they are no longer conscious?
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:jaw-dropp

Holy false analogy, Batman!

We were discussing what happens to consciousness when someone dies. Unless the person on the other end of the phone dropped dead and hung up the phone as their dying act, your statement is a total non sequitur.

Oh, and I'm still waiting for you to come back to the "Who (or what) created the creator?" thread and explain why you felt the need to ask me if I'm a fascist. . .
 
Tricky said:
There are a number of ways you could find out whether or not their consciousness still existed. You could try calling them back. If they lived near, you could go over and see them. You could even hire a detective to find if their consciousness still exists. But how do you go about finding if a dead person's consciousness exists? Private eyes work for a few hundred or perhaps thousand dollars. If you could prove post-life consciousness you could get a million dollars.

Do you see now how ridiculous your analogy is?
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How does this compare to talking to a candle? Are candles conscious?
 
Iacchus said:
How does this compare to talking to a candle? Is a canlde conscious?
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Nobody said anything about talking to a candle except you. Genesius used the analogy "snuffed out like a candle" to indicate that the consciousness was extinguished, not moved. For someone who uses so many analogies, you are remarkably poor at understanding them.
 
Tricky said:
Nobody said anything about talking to a candle except you. Genesius used the analogy "snuffed out like a candle" to indicate that the consciousness was extinguished, not moved. For someone who uses so many analogies, you are remarkably poor at understanding them.
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The body is a means by which to express consciousness which, happens to reside in the brain. When the brain dies, there is no more consciousness ... within the body. This is all you can hope to claim.
 
Iacchus said:
The body is a means by which to express consciousness ... which, happes to reside in brain. When the brain dies, there is no more consciousness ... within the body.
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Or outside of it, either.

Yes, we know you believe conciousness continues to exist. But still, your only "evidence" comes from false analogies and wordplay.

And I'm still waiting for your explanation why you asked me if I'm a fascist. . .
 
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