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Chavez defends "Carlos the Jackal," Idi Amin

MikeMangum said:
After a few months on this forums, I've yet to see a single post from you that didn't reference Israel, Zionists, or Jews regardless of the topic of the thread.
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well then, your reading and search of my many posts is clearly highly selective. but whatever helps prove your point, right?

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5347468#post5347468
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5347258#post5347258
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5347203#post5347203
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5347121#post5347121
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5347101#post5347101
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5347097#post5347097
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=5347056#post5347056

....11,000 more where those came from.

I gotta say, sometimes proving people wrong is soooo much fun.

:p
 
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parky76 said:
still waiting for that apology.
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It was very simple: I never claimed that you hadn't made any posts that refer to Jews, Israel, or Zionists, I stated that I hadn't seen any posts from (on any of the threads that I had read) that didn't in some way involve Jews, Zionists, or Israel.

Now I have.

I am rather unsure why Israel was brought up in the context of this thread.
 
MikeMangum said:
It was very simple: I never claimed that you hadn't made any posts that refer to Jews, Israel, or Zionists, I stated that I hadn't seen any posts from (on any of the threads that I had read) that didn't in some way involve Jews, Zionists, or Israel.

Now I have.

I am rather unsure why Israel was brought up in the context of this thread.
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it was a little poking of a certain member.
 
Praktik said:
Indeed, one of the most jarring examples would be the allies leaving homosexuals in prison after the defeat of germany: "Well the Nazis were wrong about a lot of things, but at least they were right on that."

Just found out about that a few months ago and was shocked to hear that as others were given their freedom, homosexuals were left to serve out the remainder of their "sentences" handed down under Nazi persecution.
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Is this not judging the past, where standards were different, through a prism of today's ideas and standards?

Reminds me of the whole "George Washington had slaves!" mentality.

These things were still wrong, but it was a different era. I'm not suggesting they are fully forgivable. Just not as completely heinous as they are made out to be, by today's standards. People doing wrong things for the sake of wrong is one thing. People doing wrong things, but thinking they are doing something right, because that is the prevailing opinion of all around them.. that's a bit different.
 
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Praktik said:
Indeed, one of the most jarring examples would be the allies leaving homosexuals in prison after the defeat of germany: "Well the Nazis were wrong about a lot of things, but at least they were right on that."

Just found out about that a few months ago and was shocked to hear that as others were given their freedom, homosexuals were left to serve out the remainder of their "sentences" handed down under Nazi persecution.
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can u provide a source for this? i am appalled.
 
I'm not an expert on any of these characters (though I do live next door to Bob Mugabe), but I was chatting to a Ugandan friend of mine who says that while Idi Amin was definitely not a nice chap, a lot of what was mentioned about him was hyperbole and exaggeration.

It was interesting for me to hear this from someone who had a little bit of a closer experience within living under Idi Amin's rule. I must admit that I had also heard of Idi Amin as a horrible cruel dictator, so a differing opinion was interesting for me to hear about...
 
Just to clarify I'm not defending Idi Amin (I don't know enough about what happened), just pointing out an anecdote :)
 
DarthFishy said:
Just to clarify I'm not defending Idi Amin (I don't know enough about what happened), just pointing out an anecdote :)
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there is a documentary about Amin, made in the seventies.
He's interviewed extensively and appears to me to be barking mad and not very bright. (I think Forest Whittaker did a good impression of him in last King Of Scotland)

When the film was released, Amin was not pleased with the result and kidnapped a whole bunch of French nationals to force the director to re-edit the film.

I'll have a look for it tonight, I'm at work now.
 
timhau said:
From Amin's Wikipedia entry:
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I find it surprising he got that far.

His dictator colleagues such as Mobutu and Mugabe were/are intellectually sharp people. Just a bit lacking in the erm... moral department.

Old Idi didn't last very long, of course.
One year after he announced his plan to invade Israel, the Tanzanian army rolled him up like a cheap carpet.
 
Skeptic said:
I'm not saying they didn't do that. I'm just annoyed at the moral equivalency implied.
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Why are modern terrorists so bad? Sure they target civilians but so did all the strategic bombing campaigns in WWII. If they could start a good old fashion firestrom in a major city it would bring back the good old days...
 
Whiplash said:
Is this not judging the past, where standards were different, through a prism of today's ideas and standards?

Reminds me of the whole "George Washington had slaves!" mentality.

These things were still wrong, but it was a different era. I'm not suggesting they are fully forgivable. Just not as completely heinous as they are made out to be, by today's standards. People doing wrong things for the sake of wrong is one thing. People doing wrong things, but thinking they are doing something right, because that is the prevailing opinion of all around them.. that's a bit different.
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The thing is that in terms of their resources why are the attacks of 9/11 so fundamentaly different that say firebombing Tokyo? Other than being much less destructive with comparatively minor loss of life?
 
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