Cancel culture IRL

[d4m10n]

I think part of the problem here is that the man attached to that torso does not want to be broadcast to the world. He's covering his name tag.

In the age of viral shaming, it sort of sucks to be him: https://twitter.com/hashtag/krogerandy

ETA: Glad he's getting some support to go w/ the surge of unwanted fame infamy, though.

 

[xterra]

Purely by coincidence, I had a conversation with an employee (I'll call him "Joe" for convenience) in a Kroger subsidiary early last week, after I had seen several customers in the store without masks, despite the signs at the entrance saying that masks are required by local ordinance.

Joe told me that Kroger says that no one except a store manager is allowed to confront* a customer about not wearing a mask — nor about shoplifting. In fact, Joe says, an employee can be fired for violating this rule.

I am guessing the rule may be intended to protect both Kroger and the employee, for liability and physical safety reasons.




* "Confront" here means verbally by mentioning the action, or physically even by obstructing the customer (or thief) from leaving.

 

[johnny karate]

Apparently I'm living under a rock and have no idea what this "cancel culture" thing is?

Is this something I need to be aware of? Is it important enough that I need to spend 10 minutes of my life sifting through google results? Or is this just another newly invented catchphrase du jour that only applies to left-right political pissing contests on the internet?

Your guess is a good as anyone’s. The anti-“cancel culture” people in this thread can’t even seem to agree on what it is.

The best I can tell, it’s when people say something critical in a public forum about someone else who said or did something those people didn’t like.

However, when you get into specifics, it becomes difficult to nail down exactly when this qualifies as “cancel culture” and when it doesn’t, as we’re seeing in this very thread.

And this phenomenon is supposedly, somehow, the death knell of free speech, and also something about Orwell.

 

[rockysmith76]

Erstwhile atheist activist takes on Kroger employee.

https://twitter.com/DanielleMuscato/status/1291897282712023041

So a petty spat at a store needs to go viral to cancel that guy out of a job? Some folks have waaaaaaaay too free time. The mask denier should have been made to leave, but Cancel Culture is purely BS. Those who pursue it are parasites.

 

[rockysmith76]

My huge complaint about cancel culture is that the common pattern is that someone does something in their life, and there are then public shaming and demands that they be fired from their job because of their political beliefs or their unfortunate behavior that was caught on camera.

It's bullying based on trying to punish someone for their beliefs etc, but instead of teh Chinese Government hitting your social credit score, a bunch of social media scumbags do it instead, but it basically the same thing and it's anti democratic.

 

[Cain]

Your guess is a good as anyone’s. The anti-“cancel culture” people in this thread can’t even seem to agree on what it is.

I think it's about online mobs.

Also, Danielle looks like a professional activist, which is not just going to trigger right-wingers but anyone who hates busy-bodies.

If a store manager were caught pummeling a child, then people would be posting their justifiable outrage. Calls to have a violent psychopath canceled would not invite a backlash.

We're in more of a gray area with these masks. There's a consensus that people should wear masks out in public, and businesses should require masks before entering their stores, but people do not want to see Andy punished, much less lose his livelihood during a pandemic. And that's understandable.

Apparently a lot of middle-class women fear they're one stupid little joke away from poverty. They stress about their husband saying "the wrong thing" and then getting fired.

 

[johnny karate]

I think it's about online mobs.

Define and quantify “online mob”. And what specifically are these so-called “mobs” doing that is objectionable?

Apparently a lot of middle-class women fear they're one stupid little joke away from poverty. They stress about their husband saying "the wrong thing" and then getting fired.

Yes, what a tragedy that people should monitor their own behavior in public and perhaps put a little thought into their words and actions.

 

[Elagabalus]

Define and quantify “online mob”. And what specifically are these so-called “mobs” doing that is objectionable?



Yes, what a tragedy that people should monitor their own behavior in public and perhaps put a little thought into their words and actions.

This is a guess. Danielle is an A++++ kind of atheist activist and this story is all the rage over at TheSlymepit™*


*but I haven't checked.

 

[Cain]

Define and quantify “online mob”.

If you're clueless about what this suggests, then there's probably nothing I can say to explain it.

And what specifically are these so-called “mobs” doing that is objectionable?

Getting people fired.

Yes, what a tragedy that people should monitor their own behavior in public and perhaps put a little thought into their words and actions.

You mean people like Colin Kaepernick?

 

[d4m10n]

Define and quantify “online mob”. And what specifically are these so-called “mobs” doing that is objectionable?

A large group of people unaffected by the events in question (e.g. at a particular Kroger) piling on in order to influence cultural norms. Often paired w/ demands for a particular employee to be reprimanded, suspended, or sacked.

I don't think Danielle managed to gather a mob (at least not from what I've seen so far) although the original post looked like it was meant to solicit this kind of response.

 

[Puppycow]

‘Danielle’ Becomes The New ‘Karen’ After Kroger Store Incident

An epic backfire.

I'm pro-mask, but I don't go around ordering others to wear them or having a tantrum if they won't. The easiest way is to just keep your distance if you are uncomfortable being near someone who is unmasked.

 

[johnny karate]

If you're clueless about what this suggests, then there's probably nothing I can say to explain it.

By post number six of this thread, it was revealed that critics of “cancel culture” can’t even decide among themselves what actually constitutes “cancel culture”.

The ambiguity of terms is not my fault nor is it my problem. If you don’t want to clarify, that is your prerogative. But don’t expect anyone to take your arguments seriously.

Getting people fired.

How would these “mobs” be able to get someone fired who didn’t actually do anything that warrants firing?

You mean people like Colin Kaepernick?

No.

 

[mumblethrax]

How would these “mobs” be able to get someone fired who didn’t actually do anything that warrants firing?

By creating enough controversy that the employer fires their target simply to make the problem go away.

It's not like large corporations are dedicated to fairness and justice. They're primarily interested in the bottom line.

 

[johnny karate]

A large group of people unaffected by the events in question (e.g. at a particular Kroger) piling on in order to influence cultural norms. Often paired w/ demands for a particular employee to be reprimanded, suspended, or sacked.

This would include every white person who took part in the boycotts of the Civil Rights Era.

I don't think Danielle managed to gather a mob (at least not from what I've seen so far) although the original post looked like it was meant to solicit this kind of response.

If there is no mob, how is this an example of “cancel culture”?

 

[johnny karate]

By creating enough controversy that the employer fires their target simply to make the problem go away.

It's not like large corporations are dedicated to fairness and justice. They're primarily interested in the bottom line.

And how does one “create” controversy?

And if the ability to “create” controversy and “get” someone fired has been weaponized to such great effect, why do so many of these attempts fail?

How is that so many corporations are able to ignore the “online mobs” and the alleged controversy that they “create”?

 

[johnny karate]

‘Danielle’ Becomes The New ‘Karen’ After Kroger Store Incident

An epic backfire.

I'm pro-mask, but I don't go around ordering others to wear them or having a tantrum if they won't. The easiest way is to just keep your distance if you are uncomfortable being near someone who is unmasked.

Useless advice if you are in an enclosed space with that person.

We’re deeply mired in a public health crisis of historic proportions and the anti-maskers are a legitimate threat to the safety of those around them.

This isn’t about being “uncomfortable”. It’s about not wanting to die because of some selfish, ignorant *******.

 

[angrysoba]

And how does one “create” controversy?

And if the ability to “create” controversy and “get” someone fired has been weaponized to such great effect, why do so many of these attempts fail?

"So many attempts" at what?

How is that so many corporations are able to ignore the “online mobs” and the alleged controversy that they “create”?

"So many corporations" ignore the "online mobs"?

You seem to be halfway to acknowledging the existence of a particular kind of behaviour, which is to get someone "cancelled".

I think at first you were saying that such things don't exist. Now you are saying that they exist all right, but that many of these hitherto non-existent cancel campaigns just fail.

Maybe they do fail, and maybe the purported victims often end up either unscathed or sometimes even benefit from the exposure rather than the intended effect, but the fact that these campaigns are regularly attempted actually suggest there is a kind of culture.

 

[johnny karate]

"So many attempts" at what?

Attempts at altering the behavior of and/or eliciting a specific action from a business or corporation by means of some type of public pressure.

"So many corporations" ignore the "online mobs"?

Yes, all the time.

You seem to be halfway to acknowledging the existence of a particular kind of behaviour, which is to get someone "cancelled".

I think at first you were saying that such things don't exist. Now you are saying that they exist all right, but that many of these hitherto non-existent cancel campaigns just fail.

I’m not acknowledging anything. I’m putting certain words in quotes for a reason.

Maybe they do fail, and maybe the purported victims often end up either unscathed or sometimes even benefit from the exposure rather than the intended effect, but the fact that these campaigns are regularly attempted actually suggest there is a kind of culture.

If there is, it seems to be a pretty toothless one with no real power. So I’m not sure what the concern is.

 

[Puppycow]

Useless advice if you are in an enclosed space with that person.

We’re deeply mired in a public health crisis of historic proportions and the anti-maskers are a legitimate threat to the safety of those around them.

This isn’t about being “uncomfortable”. It’s about not wanting to die because of some selfish, ignorant *******.

If they actually have the virus, then getting into a verbal confrontation with them only increases the risk to you. If you want to decrease your risk of infection, move a safe distance away, don't get in their face and confront them. Talking, particularly with a raised voice, is more likely to spread it than simply staying quiet and taking small breaths.

 

[d4m10n]

This would include every white person who took part in the boycotts of the Civil Rights Era.

Plenty of conceptual space between calling for a boycott and tryna get individual workers reprimanded or fired.