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smartcooky said:
I've posted plenty of links to the CDC and WHO who say they are changing that policy and clearly stated the reasons why they are changing it... reasons that you seem to have a problem with.
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Your argument is to appeal to the CDC or WHO as an authority on what counts as racism in 2021 (but not 2020)?
 
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Somewhat famous fascist propagandist Andy Ngo, and his publication of last resort The Post Millennial, are going through a minor cancellation crisis as activists are contacting his unwitting advertisers and encouraging them to pull their business.

The Post Millennial is hemorrhaging advertisers because it employs Andy Ngo
Turns out there are financial repercussions to cozying up with the far-right.
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https://www.dailydot.com/debug/advertisers-sever-ties-andy-ngo-website/

“I got Kargo (an SSP), Next Millennium Media (a sales house) and now OpenWeb (an ad platform) to drop the Post Millennial,” said Jammi, an activist and co-founder of Check My Ads, which helps brands avoid association with “fake news, disinformation, and hate speech.”

“This cuts bad actors like Andy Ngo off from thousands of advertisers and large amounts of revenue in one fell swoop,” she said.

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Citizen journalist Chad Loder says Surfshark and 6ix have also stopped running ads on the Post Millennial. Neither company responded to requests for comment Wednesday afternoon.

Surfshark reacted with apparent horror after Loder tagged it in a tweet that included a screenshot of its ad on the Post Millennial. Loder asked why it was running ads on a site affiliated with someone who “works with Proud Boys and Capitol rioters to target journalists with death threats.”

“We weren’t aware about this,” Surfshark tweeted in response, then thanked Loder for letting it know.

“We’ve just stopped working with them. Media freedom is one of our core values, and this is just…speechless.”
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Emily's Cat said:
Regardless, I think that was pretty much irrelevant to chemistry, and served no purpose in that class. I fully support teacher's rights to their own political, moral, and religious beliefs, but I strongly object to the teacher's views being incorporated in classroom material.

Some exceptions may be made with political science or religion classes, but in those cases, special care should be taken to ensure that the teacher is not promoting their own ideological bases as the "right" views.
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I pretty much agree here.

As I was saying before, it a professor in a university wants to "teach the controversy" it is fine as long as they flag up the fact that the fringe viewpoint is not accepted by mainstream science etc... You can do that in a lecture or a seminar where you might start exploring a few unorthodox viewpoints, but putting the "jokes" in the area for Covid protocols is just unprofessional.

As I also said, it probably only takes a word from the administrators, rather than a suspension, depending on how serious it is. In my view, a red pen with the words, "take this out" should be sufficient. It doesn't impinge on academic freedoms. It just means that the university is abiding by standards of professionalism.
 
angrysoba said:
I pretty much agree here.

As I was saying before, it a professor in a university wants to "teach the controversy" it is fine as long as they flag up the fact that the fringe viewpoint is not accepted by mainstream science etc... You can do that in a lecture or a seminar where you might start exploring a few unorthodox viewpoints, but putting the "jokes" in the area for Covid protocols is just unprofessional.

As I also said, it probably only takes a word from the administrators, rather than a suspension, depending on how serious it is. In my view, a red pen with the words, "take this out" should be sufficient. It doesn't impinge on academic freedoms. It just means that the university is abiding by standards of professionalism.
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Agreed. A simple "Don't be an ass" conversation was probably all that was necessary.
 
FIRE's letter to Syracuse

Link to FIRE's letter to Syracuse University here. In particular see page 4, which concerns academic freedom and syllabi.
"Under the policies mutually agreed upon by Syracuse and its faculty, professors have “the right to use the academic forum provided by the University to discuss controversial subjects and to express ideas with which some or most of the members of the community strongly disagree.”14 In recognition of faculty syllabi as a quintessential academic forum, Syracuse affords its professors wide latitude as to the content of their syllabi.15
Here, Zubieta’s syllabus is an academic forum where he is explicitly granted the right to—at the very minimum—raise controversial issues."

Given the...inconsistent...actions of Syracuse University over the last four years in this area, they have forfeited the slightest benefit of the doubt in any close call.
 
d4m10n said:
Your argument is to appeal to the CDC or WHO as an authority on what counts as racism in 2021 (but not 2020)?
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No

Do you really believe that stopping people from using racist terms happens overnight? I mean really? It has taken people (mostly Americans) over 60+ in minimizing the use of the n-word as a regular description of Black people, and some people still think it is acceptable nomenclature!

The CDC/WHO guidelines for the naming of viruses, which they are THE authorities on, were issued in 2015; that is just six years ago. I expect there will still be slip ups with continued use of terms such as "Wuhan Coronavirus". I expect it will take many years for people with your, shall we say, "narrow" mindset to understand that it is NO LONGER ACCEPTABLE to tie place and country names to viruses any more that it was acceptable to name weather events such as hurricanes, typhoons and tropical storm exclusively with female names, and use gender biased terms to describe their behaviour.

NOTE: Did you notice how they stopped using the "India variant" almost immediately and started calling it the "delta variant"? Same for the the variants that originated in South Africa (Beta) Brazil (Gamma) and the UK (Alpha). This is thanks to the WHO's guidelines.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Link to FIRE's letter to Syracuse University here. In particular see page 4, which concerns academic freedom and syllabi.
"Under the policies mutually agreed upon by Syracuse and its faculty, professors have “the right to use the academic forum provided by the University to discuss controversial subjects and to express ideas with which some or most of the members of the community strongly disagree.”14 In recognition of faculty syllabi as a quintessential academic forum, Syracuse affords its professors wide latitude as to the content of their syllabi.15
Here, Zubieta’s syllabus is an academic forum where he is explicitly granted the right to—at the very minimum—raise controversial issues."

Given the...inconsistent...actions of Syracuse University over the last four years in this area, they have forfeited the slightest benefit of the doubt in any close call.
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Sorry Chris, but not in a chemistry syllabus. If he wants to raise controversial issues such as politics and racism, is free to do so by writing a social science paper and submitting it for peer review. Politics and racism has no place being discussed in a syllabus for the Pure Sciences.

In Chemistry class, the students are there to learn about Chemistry, they should not have to put up with, or have their class time wasted by, their professor wanking on about political correctness... if they want to learn about that they can attend a Social Science class with one of Prof de Nevers ' staff!
 
Won't somebody think of the 'Immature Adults' (aka Children...)


A public high school in Hudson, Ohio, has managed a remarkable feat: censoring a college course and — thanks to a mayor’s grandstanding and false claims that a book of writing prompts is “child pornography” — leading police and prosecutors to investigate the class. Today, a coalition of civil liberties organizations led by FIRE is sending a letter to the high school and local law enforcement explaining that the high school’s administration is violating the First Amendment and state law.
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https://www.thefire.org/ohio-high-s...e-investigate-college-course-writing-prompts/
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Link to FIRE's letter to Syracuse University here. In particular see page 4, which concerns academic freedom and syllabi.

"Under the policies mutually agreed upon by Syracuse and its faculty, professors have “the right to use the academic forum provided by the University to discuss controversial subjects and to express ideas with which some or most of the members of the community strongly disagree.”14 In recognition of faculty syllabi as a quintessential academic forum, Syracuse affords its professors wide latitude as to the content of their syllabi.15

Here, Zubieta’s syllabus is an academic forum where he is explicitly granted the right to—at the very minimum—raise controversial issues."



Given the...inconsistent...actions of Syracuse University over the last four years in this area, they have forfeited the slightest benefit of the doubt in any close call.
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Oversold it.

A syllabus is a description of the academic goals to be achieved (required by state policy), what tools, methods (department chair has some "opinions"), and/or materials (check with textbook approval subcommittee) will be used to reach those goals, and how performance will be assessed (equity/diversity/inclusion department is watching closely here) and reported towards a student's academic record. It is a technocratic document, not a "forum" for "ideas."
 
lionking said:
Well I’m certain that people here would be interested why you are laughing out loud…..or maybe not.

Do you mind explaining.
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You could try reading the article. Maybe you might feel the same sense of irony I felt about Johnny "Wife Beater" Depp whining about being a victim of "Cancel Culture" because he was criticised for beating up his wife, Amber Heard... and then he gets a fancy "lifetime achievement" acting award?
 
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smartcooky said:
You could try reading the article. Maybe you might feel the same sense of irony I felt about Johnny "Wife Beater" Depp whining about being a victim of "Cancel Culture" because he was criticised for beating up his wife, Amber Heard... and then he gets a fancy "lifetime achievement" acting award?
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No, not laughing out loud. To each his own I suppose
 
smartcooky said:
Here's the thing that really pisses me off about this.

Disclaimer: I have not read the book

AIUI, Sally Rooney created a character, and a pretty nasty one by all accounts, who made a racist remark about Asians in Italy. That character was then promptly taken task for his racism by the other characters with him. Jessica Tu has intentionally cherry picked the highlighted part and deliberately not mentioned the rest, in order to paint Rooney as a racist for having one of her characters say this.

Not only is this a clear, intentional breach of journalistic ethics, it is knowingly misleading her readers as to the nature of the book and the attitude of its author. When you write a fictional book about real life attitudes of people as regards some of the unpleasant aspects of human nature, is damned near impossible to so if you don't have characters who exhibit that behaviour. It would be like trying to write a fictional story about slavery in the US south, but not having characters who were plantation owners and slave traders. So when you decide that you need to have characters who are plantation owners and slave traders, some ******* moron reviewer like Jessie Tu calls you a racist because the plantation owners and slave traders you create say and do racist things!
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Just found an article on Spiked (usual warnings apply) covering this issue:


Sally Rooney is a young, successful author whose latest novel, Beautiful World, Where Are You, is the best-selling fiction book in Great Britain at the moment. Rooney is principally known for two things: her precocious success as a writer and the fact that she is a self-declared Marxist. Yet her political leanings haven’t helped save her completely from cancel culture’s tentacles.
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https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/09/23/how-political-correctness-is-about-to-kill-the-novel/
 
lionking said:
Well I’m certain that people here would be interested why you are laughing out loud…..or maybe not.



Do you mind explaining.
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Receiving a prestigious award in front of an adoring audience is probably as far from being "cancelled" as humanly possible
 
Epik hack is bearing fruit:

Agent swept up in hack canned from brokerage for Holocaust views
Joshua Alayon allegedly tried to register a slew of domains such as holocaust-truth.com, theholocaustisfake.com, whitechristianrepublican.com and whitesencyclopedia.com

Florida real estate brokerage Travers Miran Realty has fired real estate agent Joshua Alayon after he was swept up in a hack that revealed alleged attempts to register domain names such as theholocaustisfake.com and whitesencyclopedia.com.

Last week, Epik, a domain registrar known for hosting far-right groups, was hit by “hacktivist collective” Anonymous, who proceeded to leak 180 gigabytes of previously private data — including user names, passwords, 15 million email addresses, and other identifying information of Epik’s customers as well as others, according to several news outlets.
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https://www.inman.com/2021/09/22/agent-swept-up-in-hack-canned-from-brokerage-for-holocaust-views/

Antifa super soldiers adding another notch to their keyboard.
 
smartcooky said:
Well in that case, the CDC, the WHO and medical scientists from all over the world are "massively overreacting"
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Lots clearly did. Not having been born last week, I remember when some of those scientists were saying it was racist to even suspect the lab leak hypothesis.
The n-word was acceptable once, as was calling Latinos "Spics", and calling AIDS the "Gay Disease". They aren't any more. Why do you think that is?
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Totally the same thing.

Its pretty clear, if Trump hadn't been saying Wuhan Flu, almost nobody would think it was racist. Personally, I think its fine but how about we call it the ChiCom flu or CCCP fever. The Chinese government is responsible for hundreds of thousand if not millions of deaths. Even if it didn't leak from the lab, they've spent a good part of the last two years obfuscating the origins of the disease. Oh wait, that was probably Trump.
 
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