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Cancel culture IRL

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And? What are you saying about this, here, to us?

If your intent is to decry "cancel culture" I hope you realize by posting a link to an example of it you're actually furthering it by increasing the target's exposure to a larger pool of people hearing about the event.
 
I've been among those who rail against cancel culture, but I have a little bit of a hard time with this one.

My huge complaint about cancel culture is that the common pattern is that someone does something in their life, and there are then public shaming and demands that they be fired from their job because of their political beliefs or their unfortunate behavior that was caught on camera. The company they work for might fire them, not because they were a bad employee, but they are afraid of retaliation by angry mobs on something not related to their job performance.

In this case, the tweet is very specifically about the way the man has performed his job. The tweet's author (whose name I recognize and I know has come up in relation to some sort of skeptic gathering, the details of which I've forgotten) is calling attention to a Kroger employee's failure to enforce store policy, with the result that public health is compromised. That doesn't seem all that bad to me.

Making it so personal makes me nervous but other than that, I can't see a huge problem. Where I might have a problem would be with the Kroger chain's response. If they just sack the guy in order to be able to claim that they did something about the problem and assuage the Twitter mob's demands, I would object. What ought to happen is that the managers above him evaluate his record, including this incident. I assume that the store and/or the local government has a policy that masks must be worn, and so refusing to enforce that policy should be seen as a negative, but not necessarily something for which he ought to be fired.
 
TragicMonkey said:
It seems pointless to me; I certainly wouldn't act to further the spread of this public shaming.
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He seems to be doing ok. A Gofundme that someone set up for him has raised about 18K so far.

The comments on the Twitter seem to be fairly split between supporters and the nots as well.

Other employees have posted that company policy is for them not to tell unmasked customers to leave. The "shaming" seems to be having the opposite effect here.
 
d4m10n said:
What I'm asking is whether it makes sense to cancel publicly shame this employee. Any thoughts?
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I didn't realize you were asking anything at all. There is certainly no question in the OP. There is also nothing that explains the situation.

My suggestion for making a post:

1.) begin with a short summary of the known facts from as objective a point of view as possible.

2.) then give your opinion on the topic and a discussion question so that posters here can bicker and argue in a time-honoured fashion.

Your OP is the type that demands other posters do all the work of understanding the story and forming their own discussion topics.
 
Apparently I'm living under a rock and have no idea what this "cancel culture" thing is?

Is this something I need to be aware of? Is it important enough that I need to spend 10 minutes of my life sifting through google results? Or is this just another newly invented catchphrase du jour that only applies to left-right political pissing contests on the internet?
 
AnonyMoose said:
Apparently I'm living under a rock and have no idea what this "cancel culture" thing is?

Is this something I need to be aware of? Is it important enough that I need to spend 10 minutes of my life sifting through google results? Or is this just another newly invented catchphrase du jour that only applies to left-right political pissing contests on the internet?
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This is one of the best takes on Cancel Culture I have seen so far. Its a parody, but you'll get the idea

https://www.facebook.com/johnbcrist/videos/1660635490756182/
 
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Admittedly I've only scrolled through the first couple of dozen replies to that tweet, but the ones I've read are of the "it's fine" and "I'm still going to shop there" bent. So I'm not really seeing how this is an example of cancel culture at all.
 
AnonyMoose said:
Apparently I'm living under a rock and have no idea what this "cancel culture" thing is?

Is this something I need to be aware of? Is it important enough that I need to spend 10 minutes of my life sifting through google results? Or is this just another newly invented catchphrase du jour that only applies to left-right political pissing contests on the internet?
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Basically, someone does something that someone doesn't like. They post about it online. People agree with the first person. The person who did the thing that people didn't like suffers real-world consequences.

Sometimes this can take the form of a hate-mob trying to cost someone their job (as in the case of a far-right pundit explicitly trying to get James Gunn fired for tweeting something sarcastic about Trump), and sometimes this can mean things becoming more just (like the convictions of Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein, as well as the general change in culture around the film and TV industry thanks to the #MeToo movement).

It's often painted as something that only left-wingers do and is only ever a hysterical overreaction that costs innocent people their livelihoods, but that isn't really the case.
 
RolandRat said:
He seems to be doing ok. A Gofundme that someone set up for him has raised about 18K so far.

The comments on the Twitter seem to be fairly split between supporters and the nots as well.

Other employees have posted that company policy is for them not to tell unmasked customers to leave. The "shaming" seems to be having the opposite effect here.
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Nice reward for following a bad company policy. If Kroger is going to require masks and then not enforce it, people should go after the company, not the manager. If I shopped regularly at Kroger, I would tell them that I will stop doing so until they enforce their policy.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
Admittedly I've only scrolled through the first couple of dozen replies to that tweet, but the ones I've read are of the "it's fine" and "I'm still going to shop there" bent. So I'm not really seeing how this is an example of cancel culture at all.
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Are those the sorts of replies Danielle was hoping to see?
 
I think part of the problem here is that the man attached to that torso does not want to be broadcast to the world. He's covering his name tag. She should have made it more about the maskless offender and the impersonal corporation. But if she did that then it probably would not have gone viral.

I've never heard of Danielle Muscato, but her front page looks like Titania McGrath's.
 
Meadmaker said:
The tweet's author . . . is calling attention to a Kroger employee's failure to enforce store policy, with the result that public health is compromised. That doesn't seem all that bad to me.
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I would tend to agree, assuming Danielle presented an accurate and unbiased account, but so far as I am aware we've yet to hear from the two other parties involved in the incident.

Meadmaker said:
Where I might have a problem would be with the Kroger chain's response. If they just sack the guy in order to be able to claim that they did something about the problem and assuage the Twitter mob's demands, I would object. What ought to happen is that the managers above him evaluate his record, including this incident.
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Agreed. I'm afraid that when something like this goes viral (pun intended?) there is relatively little incentive for corporations to take such a measured and careful approach.
 
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Meadmaker said:
The company they work for might fire them, not because they were a bad employee, but they are afraid of retaliation by angry mobs
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Prove this is the reason rather than something else such as the other individuals also do not want the company associated with those views
 
shemp said:
Nice reward for following a bad company policy. If Kroger is going to require masks and then not enforce it, people should go after the company, not the manager. If I shopped regularly at Kroger, I would tell them that I will stop doing so until they enforce their policy.
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Agreed. And that is what a lot of people are saying to the lady who stuck his picture on her Twitter. That she should be going after the store rather than some employee doing his job.

What happened is that Danielle saw a customer without a mask. She approached that customer and told her/him to put a mask on or leave. She claims the other customer threatened her. She approached the manager and informed him. He asked the customer to put a mask on, customer refused, manager left it at that.

Danielle seems to be pushing the angle that as she was threatened then the manager has a duty to remove the other customer from the store. I'm not sure what the stores legal responsibilities here are.
 
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