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Cont: Cancel culture IRL Part 2

except that i'm pretty over star wars and would be glad to see it go, i agree. but i would stipulate that if you've been wrong and you're looking for some remediation, outside of the courts there's not much else you can do. besides that i guess you could try and get a group of people that agree with you to also talk about it, maybe boycott a company or two. but you're getting into some pretty murky territory there.
 
The war against Woke reaches new lows.
SOme people are bitching that the Apple TV miniseries"Masters of the Air" the sucessor to Band of Brothers and The Pacific dealine with the USAAF's bombing campaign against Nazi Germany...features the Tuskegee Airman. I am not joking.
 
dudalb said:
The war against Woke reaches new lows.
SOme people are bitching that the Apple TV miniseries"Masters of the Air" the sucessor to Band of Brothers and The Pacific dealine with the USAAF's bombing campaign against Nazi Germany...features the Tuskegee Airman. I am not joking.
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I'm not seeing anything that would qualify as cancel culture WRT Masters of the Air but if you're not fawning over season 4 of True Detective then you might just be a misogynistic racist incel.
 
dudalb said:
The war against Woke reaches new lows.
SOme people are bitching that the Apple TV miniseries"Masters of the Air" the sucessor to Band of Brothers and The Pacific dealine with the USAAF's bombing campaign against Nazi Germany...features the Tuskegee Airman. I am not joking.
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But why though?

There's a lot of the "war on woke" stuff that I think is dumb, but I can usually understand where they're coming from. There's also a lot of "wokeness" that I think is straight up idiotic, just knocking over Chesterton's Fence left and right without a thought in their heads.

But this? I can't even conceive of why anyone would object to a series featuring the Tuskegee Airmen. What reason do they give?
 
Emily's Cat said:
I can't even conceive of why anyone would object to a series featuring the Tuskegee Airmen. What reason do they give?
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The most charitable interpretation would be that the Tuskegee Airman didn't overlap enough with the 100th Bomb Group to avoid giving them both short shrift in the allotted runtime.

(That said, Masters of the Air was a ******* masterpiece and I'll go three rounds of Punch Out with anyone who disagrees.)
 
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dudalb said:
The war against Woke reaches new lows.
SOme people are bitching that the Apple TV miniseries"Masters of the Air" the sucessor to Band of Brothers and The Pacific dealine with the USAAF's bombing campaign against Nazi Germany...features the Tuskegee Airman. I am not joking.
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Is the criticism that the Tuskegee Airmen weren't even introduced until episode 8 (IIRC) and felt like an odd artificially tacked on plot point to check a box? Cause I'd agree. Same as Rosie Rosenthal just happening to stumble unto a concentration camp while being escorted about by a Soviet general. (what is ******* nuts is he parachuted and escaped capture TWICE in real life)

d4m10n said:
The most charitable interpretation would be that the Tuskegee Airman didn't overlap enough with the 100th Bomb Group to avoid giving them both short shrift in the allotted runtime.

(That said, Masters of the Air was a ******* masterpiece and I'll go three rounds of Punch Out with anyone who disagrees.)
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It just felt... strange that we go from the 100th Bomb Group in England to a fighter group flying out of Italy, and not escorting the bombers of the 100th BG. It seems the interaction between a Tuskegee airman and Buck/Bucky in the POW camps was made up.

"Everything we found [suggested] there was not the kind of racial tension that I had assumed. Everyone cooperated because they had to," co-producer Kirk Saduski told Smithsonian Magazine. The interaction between the two groups of men in Masters of the Air does not appear in Donald L. Miller's 2006 book on which the series is based and seems to be mostly speculative.

https://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/masters-of-the-air/

IF it had actually happened and it was documented that some Tuskegee airman and some crewman from the 100th BG made escape plans from POW camps then I would change my tune.

ETA: BTW while it wasn't quite up to BoB standards (still the best TV show ever made) I absolutely loved MotA. I've read both books in which the series is based on. Tacking on the Tuskegee Airman in a show about the 8thAF just didn't fit since their interaction was fictionalized. I think I've caught the 1990's HBO movie about them 6 or 8 times.
 
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I just saw the footage of what Happend on UCLA last night.
We are in trouble , folks.
If the stories that this happened because of the beating of a Jewish Student by SOme Pro Hamas demonstrators, my sympathies are with the Jewish students. And where the hell were the police in all of this.?
But then it in the LAPD jusidiciton, what to dyou expect, competence.
 
i mean, it’s not too surprising to me. there was a huge hypocritical element to it a few years back. i also don’t particularly have a problem with people calling each other out now. you should be allowed to not like charlie kirk and you should be allowed to be mad at people making fun of him. if you tie it to your real name and job, well that’s kind of on you. you have no employee protections about being fired over it unfortunately, labor laws aren’t on your side. all lessons learned years ago.

i think the big distinction here is the force of the federal government is behind them this time. and trump and other government threats to the media and other public figures for political reasons are beyond what i think is fair.

but as you can see, the free speechers never had any principles, the cancel culture debate was was just a weapon
 
DC Comics recently cancelled a title that just premiered after the creator made public comments about Charlie Kirk.
DC is owned by Warner Bros., Paramount is looking at buying Warner Bros., and Paramount has already submitted to Trump.
 
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dirtywick said:
the free speechers never had any principles, the cancel culture debate was was just a weapon
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Foundation for Individual Rights and ExpressionWP has been on the side of free speech this entire time, regardless of whether the would-be cancelers were coming from left, right, or center.

Now that the cancel mobs are being stoked by people in power on the right, FIRE are publishing articles like this one:
www.thefire.org

Why everything Pam Bondi said about ‘hate speech’ is wrong

The nation’s top law enforcement officer doesn’t understand there is no hate-speech exception to the First Amendment — and that’s scary.
www.thefire.org www.thefire.org
 
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d4m10n said:
Foundation for Individual Rights and ExpressionWP has been on the side of free speech this entire time, regardless of whether the would-be cancelers were coming from left, right, or center.

Now that the cancel mobs are being stoked by people in power on the right, FIRE are publishing articles like this one:
www.thefire.org

Why everything Pam Bondi said about ‘hate speech’ is wrong

The nation’s top law enforcement officer doesn’t understand there is no hate-speech exception to the First Amendment — and that’s scary.
www.thefire.org www.thefire.org
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fair enough, that was too broad of a statement on my part

but i think you know what i meant
 
An assistant dean was fired from Middle Tennessee State University for being unsympathetic to Charlie Kirk. I do not believe that she called for violence, as reported by USA Today and other organizations. With a few exceptions, one does not lose one's first amendment protections at the public college or university. There is some evidence of pressure from a United States Senator. Whether this falls under jawboning (see FIRE article here) I will leave to those better versed in 1A law than I am.
 
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