Building collapses with NO explosives.

[332nd]

Another bad example. The dam building fell over intact, like truthers claim a building should with such damage. Like they think the WTC should have.

It was in response to "completely destroyed".

Plus even though the announcer said said "Steel", i believe that is mostly a concrete structure.

A lot of people "believe" they will win the lottery.

Most apartments are made from concrete because of the cost effectiveness. Besides, it was made in the dam Philippines! Half the buildings there look like they might topple over.
lolz

Lolz look like? really?

 

[TokenMac]

Telling him that the video he posted was wrong, not that the "evidence"/premise behind his posting was.

Nice try though.

1. You said "everyone is all smiles" how is responding only to point out that he is wrong, or with just a faceplam, "all smiles"

2. His only evidence is the videos and it was pointed out that they don't apply.

3. The premise isn't wrong builds (including steel frame ones) do and can collapse with out explosives.

Nice try though.

 

[OneShotKi11]

It was in response to "completely destroyed".

I actually dont care what it was in response to. He said "steel high rise buildings", thus you would have to prove this was a STEEL highrise building, would you not?
Or do the things debunkers provide not need evidence to back them?
Just playing both sides of the fence here.

A lot of people "believe" they will win the lottery.

Im sorry, its only what i have been lead to believe since "Structural Steel Ironworking school".

Lolz look like? really?
[qimg]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e4/Leaning_tower_of_pisa_2.jpg/250px-Leaning_tower_of_pisa_2.jpg[/qimg]

What was the point of your picture? Yes, the "leaning tower of Pisa" also is a building that looks like it could topple over. Yet, i guess you did get the joke about the integrity of buildings in the Philippines.

Either way, you still had zero point.

 

[OneShotKi11]

1. You said "everyone is all smiles" how is responding only to point out that he is wrong, or with just a faceplam, "all smiles"

2. His only evidence is the videos and it was pointed out that they don't apply.

3. The premise isn't wrong builds (including steel frame ones) do and can collapse with out explosives.

Nice try though.

Please provide me with the post and poster who informed him of how his videos dont apply. Other then people addressing the fact that the last video has got the footage wrong and is a mashup.
I must have read over that since you state it is clearly in the thread.

On my second reading of this thread i still only see people pointing out that the one video has the wrong footage, not that the idea behind his post is completely dumb.

 

[TokenMac]

Please provide me with the post and poster who informed him of how his videos dont apply. Other then people addressing the fact that the last video has got the footage wrong and is a mashup.
I must have read over that since you state it is clearly in the thread.

You're right I shouldn't have wrote "don't apply", in fact let me change #2.

2. They only point out that one of his videos is a fake and ignore the rest.

On my second reading of this thread i still only see people pointing out that the one video has the wrong footage, not that the idea behind his post is completely dumb.

Again the premise isn't wrong builds (including steel frame ones) can and do collapse with out explosives.

 

[OneShotKi11]

You're right I shouldn't have wrote "don't apply", in fact let me change #2.

2. They only point out that one of his videos is a fake and ignore the rest.




Again the premise isn't wrong builds (including steel frame ones) can and do collapse with out explosives.

And on second thought i should have just said his evidence is really dumb. You are correct in stating his original premise is right.

Seems we both needed to fix some wording.

 

[TJM]

Another bad example. The dam building fell over intact, like truthers claim a building should with such damage. Like they think the WTC should have.

Plus even though the announcer said said "Steel", i believe that is mostly a concrete structure. Most apartments are made from concrete because of the cost effectiveness. Besides, it was made in the dam Philippines! Half the buildings there look like they might topple over.
lolz

http://www.philstar.com/ArticlePrinterFriendly.aspx?articleId=259103

Fail.

 

[OneShotKi11]

http://www.philstar.com/ArticlePrinterFriendly.aspx?articleId=259103

Fail.

I am assuming based on looks that it was a Reinforced concrete structure. Reinforced concrete structures from my understand do also use steel, but they arnt considered true Structural Steel buildings.

Now i will admit i might be wrong and this might be a Structural Steel building, but from the looks of it i wouldnt think so. I also assumed the Philippines being as poor as they are wouldnt spend the money constructing Structural Steel framed apartment buildings.

 

[BigAl]

I am assuming based on looks that it was a Reinforced concrete structure. Reinforced concrete structures from my understand do also use steel, but they arnt considered true Structural Steel buildings.

Now i will admit i might be wrong and this might be a Structural Steel building, but from the looks of it i wouldnt think so. I also assumed the Philippines being as poor as they are wouldnt spend the money constructing Structural Steel framed apartment buildings.

WTC1 and 2 were unlike any other large buildings in the world and certainly unlike any other any other building fire. The tube-within-a-tube all-steel construction with minimal fireproofing made them so. This makes any comparison to any other fire irrelevant.

Add lack of firefighting, no water for sprinklers, structural damage by the impact of the planes, the thousands of gallons of fuel and the 100+ tons of unplanned load concentrated right where the fire and structural damage was sealed the fate of each tower.

WTC7 collapsed due to protracted fire and lack of water for firefighting. Fireproofing is rated to work for one or two hours. The several hours of fire was plenty to soak through what fireproofing there was.

 

[OneShotKi11]

WTC1 and 2 were unlike any other large buildings in the world and certainly unlike any other any other building fire. The tube-within-a-tube all-steel construction with minimal fireproofing made them so. This makes any comparison to any other fire irrelevant.

Add lack of firefighting, no water for sprinklers, structural damage by the impact of the planes, the thousands of gallons of fuel and the 100+ tons of unplanned load concentrated right where the fire and structural damage was sealed the fate of each tower.

WTC7 collapsed due to protracted fire and lack of water for firefighting. Fireproofing is rated to work for one or two hours. The several hours of fire was plenty to soak through what fireproofing there was.

Where the hell did this come from? I know this already. Im not arguing what caused the towers to fall. Im not even talking about the WTC.

Talk about out of the blue. Your clearly not reading along in the thread.
Cheers for the info anyway.

 

[332nd]

I actually dont care what it was in response to. He said "steel high rise buildings", thus you would have to prove this was a STEEL highrise building, would you not?
Or do the things debunkers provide not need evidence to back them?
Just playing both sides of the fence here.

Ok fair enough.

Im sorry, its only what i have been lead to believe since "Structural Steel Ironworking school".

So now you don't need evidence to back it up?

What was the point of your picture? Yes, the "leaning tower of Pisa" also is a building that looks like it could topple over. Yet, i guess you did get the joke about the integrity of buildings in the Philippines.

Either way, you still had zero point.

Hardly. My point was while you are criticizing people for not backing things up and not doing so yourself. Just playing both sides of the fence here.

 

[aggle-rithm]

These were all terrible examples of "debunkery". If truthers presented evidence similar to the quality of this you would all call them Morons!

What do you base this on? Has any truther ever presented evidence anywhere near this relevant?

 

[Jackanory]

WTC1 and 2 were unlike any other large buildings in the world and certainly unlike any other any other building fire. The tube-within-a-tube all-steel construction with minimal fireproofing made them so. This makes any comparison to any other fire irrelevant.

Add lack of firefighting, no water for sprinklers, structural damage by the impact of the planes, the thousands of gallons of fuel and the 100+ tons of unplanned load concentrated right where the fire and structural damage was sealed the fate of each tower.

WTC7 collapsed due to protracted fire and lack of water for firefighting. Fireproofing is rated to work for one or two hours. The several hours of fire was plenty to soak through what fireproofing there was.

Good point to make. Comparisons for 911 are difficult to find but the physics and effects of fire on steel are well known the world over.

 

[Jackanory]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wfpRO9bTfo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLiEdI5Zqfs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXS_IkhgStk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtVDh4yQuh8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb6tM4o94gA&feature=related

and...the pie'ce de re'sistance!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwOwQ9HI4IA&feature=related (plane crashes into building, then building collapses due to fire)


Take that Truthers. It has happened before, and it WILL happen again.

Parky your wrong.

Video 1. The firefighters dun it wiv does water things. Two lines was enough.
Video 2. It woz de nano impregnated tags wot dunit.
Video 3. wos pulled using dem telephone wires.
Video 4. Wos dropped by Heiwa.
Video 5. wos those firefighters again wiv der bukets of thermite.
Video 6. Cant help you dude. sorry

 

[Profanz]

Has anyone yet found a steel high rise building that has ever been completely destroyed because of anything other than explosives? And I mean not including the day all the stars were aligned. That day it happened for two different reasons for the first time in history. Removed fireproofing for two, and thermal expansion for a third. What are the chances? I'm going to play Powerball tomorrow. I think it's up to 140. Miracles can happen. Just ask the skeptics around here.

 

[BigAl]

Has anyone yet found a steel high rise building that has ever been completely destroyed because of anything other than explosives? And I mean not including the day all the stars were aligned. That day it happened for two different reasons for the first time in history. Removed fireproofing for two, and thermal expansion for a third. What are the chances? I'm going to play Powerball tomorrow. I think it's up to 140. Miracles can happen. Just ask the skeptics around here.

Hit a large tube-within-a-tube steel-framed building with 140 tons of aircraft at 500 MPH carrying thousands of gallons of gas and then don't call the fire department to fight the fire and winning your Powerball is a sure thing.

 

[dtugg]

Has anyone yet found a steel high rise building that has ever been completely destroyed because of anything other than explosives? And I mean not including the day all the stars were aligned. That day it happened for two different reasons for the first time in history. Removed fireproofing for two, and thermal expansion for a third. What are the chances? I'm going to play Powerball tomorrow. I think it's up to 140. Miracles can happen. Just ask the skeptics around here.

Since no other skyscraper faced the same circumstances your blathering on about miracles is meaningless.

Are you proud of your profound ignorance? It seems so since you keep coming back here to display it. I assure you, it is nothing to be proud of.

 

[Profanz]

Hit a large tube-within-a-tube steel-framed building with 140 tons of aircraft at 500 MPH carrying thousands of gallons of gas and then don't call the fire department to fight the fire and winning your Powerball is a sure thing.

Can I win and collect the WTC-7 state lottery on the same day? I mean without being thoroughly investigated?

 

[BigAl]

Can I win and collect the WTC-7 state lottery on the same day? I mean without being thoroughly investigated?

Scratch off the spot that says "protracted fire and lack of firefighting caused the collapse." It always wins for modern all-steel buildings.

 

[Profanz]

Scratch off the spot that says "protracted fire and lack of firefighting caused the collapse." It always wins for modern all-steel buildings.

So Big Al believes that someone could win the Powerball twice and the state lottery in one day. And that this should raise no questions. And anyone who questions it is just angry because they didn't win. Those are the odds.