Building 7 Exploding BEFORE WTC1 "Collapse"

Oystein said:
In other words, you are unwilling and more likely unable to support your assertion with facts and arguments, right?
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Do you really want to defend tripe like this ''...the interconnected columns will fail in very rapid succession, i.e. very close to simultaneously.''
 
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Oystein said:
Yes.
'Cause it ain't "tripe".
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So then no doubt you will be able to convincingly explain how your progressive but virtually simultaneous collapse caused all four corners to begin decnding at the same time. We know this is so visually and because anything else would have caused tremendous distortion in the visible facades of the building.
 
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Bill Smith- why did the penthouse of WTC 7 collapse first?

in a controlled demolition, they do not blow the penthouse first.
 
bill smith said:
So then no doubt you will be able to convincingly explain how your progressive but virtually simultaneous collapse caused all four corners to begin decnding at the same time.
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How do you know that? To the best of my knowledge there is no video of the collapse of the SE and SW corners.

So what, anyway?
 
Talking about "defending tripe":

bill smith said:
...read the report on the copious amounts of nanothermite residue in the dust. I can provide a link if you need it. The report was compiled over two years by an 8-man scientific team including professors of Physics and Chemistry and who knows what else.
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This paper has been analysed here and here.
Do you want to defend this tripe paper?

bill smith said:
The lady doesn't only suggest that the FDNY said that they would have to bring down WTC7- she states it as an absolute.

And as you say, it follows from her testimony that at least some of the members of the FDNY were involved . I seriously doubt that any of those guys would admit it as you suggest for obvious reasons. And you are right that her testimony probably incriminates Chief Nigro too.
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Will you charge Mr. Nigro with murder, arson and conspiracy against the peace? When? Or is that accusation just tripe?

bill smith said:
Well do you think that an extremely tall skyscraper like WTC7 could fall down naturally from only fire between two or three other skyscrapers not more than a dozen or so feet away on three sides and do only a relatively small amount of damage to those other buildings ? Would that be called 'falling into it's own footprint' which is the hallmark of successful controlled demolition.
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Will you defend that claim after you have learned that the fall of WTC7 destroyed Fiterman Hall, i.o.w. your claim is plain WRONG?

bill smith said:
Well Oystein lets let the concerned citizens decide.
I could easily pull out David Chandler''s three-video series that proves that WTC7 came down in freefall for 2.2 seconds. 100 feet or more of complete freefall. That means that all the structural steel holding up that that 100-odd feet had been taken out of the equation uniformly and simultaneously across the entire building allowing the freefall to take place. This can only occur in controlled demolition.
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Will you defend this tripe after you have learned that this free fall did NOT apply „across the entire building“, but only to one fassade, i.o.w. your claim is plain WRONG?

bill smith said:
But it should suffice for me to ask the ask the concerned citizens watching whether the left picture became the right picture in 6-odd seconds from only fire as NIST claim - and only a small amount of asymmetric fire at that
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Will you defend this tripe now that you know that the collapse did not take 6-off seconds but 14-18-odd seconds, i.o.w. your claim is plain WRONG?


bill smith said:
Personally I suspect that there was something in there that they wanted at the bottom rather than at the top of the rubble pile.
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How are you going to support that personal fantasy of yours?

bill smith said:
It cannot happen naturally when all the dozens of massive and seperate support columns fail at exactly the same time allowing the building and all four corners to go down simultaneously and evenly.
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How are you going to defend this tripe about "all four corners to go down simultaneously and evenly"? Got sources?

bill smith said:
Accidental collapse would mean that a few columns would fail and th building would collapse at those points leaving the rest intact and supported. Asymmetrical collapse in other words.
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Says who? Why? Got references?
 
bill smith said:
So then no doubt you will be able to convincingly explain how your progressive but virtually simultaneous collapse caused all four corners to begin decnding at the same time. We know this is so visually and because anything else would have caused tremendous distortion in the visible facades of the building.
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No, I will not explain that, since the claim that all 4 corners began to descend at the same time is yours and not mine.

However I trust that you have already seen the distortions ("kink") in the north fassade that otherwise fell so neatly.
 
BigAl said:
How do you know that? To the best of my knowledge there is no video of the collapse of the SE and SW corners.

So what, anyway?
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Hi Al.There doesn't need to be. If they had gone down either slower or faster than the other ones then the facades would have distorted. Instead of which it all went down together as neat as ninepence. Do you want to post a video so that we can all see ?
 
bill smith said:
Do you really think so ? I suppose it's as likely as a simultaneous progressive collapse.
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No, I don't.
And I don't care about your guesses of likelihoods.
You do get my point: That your opinion is solely informed by mere imagination, and not by fact or logic.
 
bill smith said:
Hi Al.There doesn't need to be. If they had gone down either slower or faster than the other ones then the facades would have distorted. Instead of which it all went down together as neat as ninepence. Do you want to post a video so that we can all see ?
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How do you know the south fassade went down as neat as ninepence?
How do you know the east fassade went down as neat as ninepence?
How do you know the west fassade went down as neat as ninepence?
Since that is your claims, you need to provide the evidence, not Al.
 
It sounds to me as though the fire fighter is saying "Stuff is exploding." There were burning cars in the area. Per Karen Deshore, some of them were exploding when the gas tanks cooked off.

I still do not see any sign that the man with the cloth over his head reacts in any way consistant with being surprised. He had his right hand about over his sternum when the second man took the phone, before the blast, and it appears it is still there after the blast when the approaching fiore fighter speaks. It does not look to me as though he heard any surprising noises.
 
bill smith said:
Hi Al.There doesn't need to be. If they had gone down either slower or faster than the other ones then the facades would have distorted. Instead of which it all went down together as neat as ninepence. Do you want to post a video so that we can all see ?
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The face we see in the videos did become distorted when the kink developed in the roof line. That was what broke out the windows down the center of that facade, but not across its entire width.
 
Bill The Chain Yanker is back,and the ignore button comes in handy.
 
leftysergeant said:
The face we see in the videos did become distorted when the kink developed in the roof line. That was what broke out the windows down the center of that facade, but not across its entire width.
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Check this video at the 3:22 mark. You will see a large crack running down the right of the North face of WTC7. It's not difficult to picture the columns behind the outer wall collapsing simultaneously and the ones behind the crack being a tiny bit early or late and creating the crack/distortion.

Above all it makes it simple to see that the whole facade would have cracked and distorted had one of the corner columns been out of sequence by being either early or late..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8lrTy5mrZY
 
Bill- what kind of explosive was used to bring down WTC 7?

who installed it? when was it installed?

....no answer? I thought not.

9-11 Truthers are pseudo-skeptics....extraordinaire.
 
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