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Brexit: Now What? Part IV

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Apparently, there will be three simple questions that EU citizens will have to answer if they want to continue living in the UK after Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44553225

People will be asked to prove their ID, whether they have criminal convictions and whether they live in the UK.

I think all British people should be asked those questions and if the answers are not satisfactory they should be deported ;)


Other points:

  • Applications will cost £65 for adults and £32.50 for children and be free for EU nationals who have already applied for residency or indefinite leave to remain. This means that my good friend Trine, Danish citizen and NHS midwife with 30+ years service will have to pay
  • EU citizens and family members who have been in the UK for five years by the end of 2020 will be able to apply for "settled status", meaning they are free to go on living and working in the UK indefinitely.
  • Mr Javid told the Lords EU Justice sub-committee he wanted it to be fully operational by the "start of next year", adding that he wanted to avoid a "surge" of applicants when the UK leaves the EU in March - there are not enough laughing dogs to express my sentiment regarding the likelihood that this could happen

Applications have to be filled in online - bad luck grandpa, you're being deported :mad:

But applicants without smartphones will have to send their passports in to the Home Office to verify their identity
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No international travel and no ID for the weeks or months while the application is considered - with the risk that the documents may be lost :mad:

Applicants with Android phones will be able to download an app which can read the chip in their passport to verify their identity - and they will be able to take a "selfie" that can be checked against Home Office records, said Mr Javid.

But he said there was an "an issue at the moment" with Apple device users, who will not be able to make use of this app, and instead will have to send in their passport to prove their identity.
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Total reliance on unproven technology supported by only some phones - typical of these bunglers.
 
Francesca R said:
What will stop a transition period?
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The transition agreement is conditional on both sides agreeing a final withdrawal treaty, which is not certain.

The transition period currently has, unless we manage to agree something else , a hard border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the UK.
I don't think that the UK's offer to effectively remain in the customs union while we negotiate new trade deals has been accepted. If the fallback position is still leading the race in 9 months time, the DUP will stop a transition period.
 
Lothian said:
The transition agreement is conditional on both sides agreeing a final withdrawal treaty, which is not certain.
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ponderingturtle said:
A transition period requires a deal.
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"We can't sign off on the EU Withdrawal Agreement, or agree a Transition Period, unless there is a solution to the imperative to avoid a border in Ireland. If there is not, then no deal"

"Ah OK but no deal means a border in Ireland"

"Um . . . ."
 
MikeG said:
The transition period doesn't apply to extradition/ EAW? Who knew?
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It is covered in the draft agreement. It allows the EAW to carry on as normal.

It also contains the following preamble:

The provisions of this Agreement referring to Union law or concepts or provisions thereof shall in their implementation and application be interpreted in conformity with the relevant case law of the Court of Justice of the European Union

ceptimus said:
I wouldn't expect any non-EU country to allow the ECJ to have supremacy over its own courts.
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MikeG said:
It is frankly astonishing that anyone could think otherwise.
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Perhaps when people are frankly astonished to find that we will be a non-EU country who is allowing the ECJ supremacy over our own courts, we may withdraw from the ECW and the other parts of transition where the ECJ has supremacy.
 
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Francesca R said:
"We can't sign off on the EU Withdrawal Agreement, or agree a Transition Period, unless there is a solution to the imperative to avoid a border in Ireland. If there is not, then no deal"

"Ah OK but no deal means a border in Ireland"

"Um . . . ."
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Yes the current transition agreements and no deal, each require a border

No deal means a hard border between NI and Eire; the current transition agreement means a hard border between NI and rUK.

It is just a simple question of where the border line is to be drawn. Perhaps we could ask Israel and Palestine to assist us.
 
Lothian said:
It is just a simple question of where the border line is to be drawn.
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I suspect it will look like the music stopping in a game of musical chairs but nobody sitting down.

Or more likely some way being found to keep the music playing. (Not in the Citigroup sense)
 
Francesca R said:
I suspect it will look like the music stopping in a game of musical chairs but nobody sitting down.

Or more likely some way being found to keep the music playing. (Not in the Citigroup sense)
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I think we either contract Group 4 to man any proposed border or we set up Schrödinger's custom posts.
 
From Jean Claude Juncker's speech to the Irish parliament earlier today...

"Juncker: 'There are those who think that the other 26 countries will abandon Ireland at the last minute for a sectoral deal that suits them. Those people have not understood what being part of our Union means. Ireland’s border is Europe’s border and it is our Union’s priority.'"

https://twitter.com/nick_gutteridge...y.com/discussion/2268673/the-irish-border/p99
 
The Don said:
Total reliance on unproven technology supported by only some phones - typical of these bunglers.
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As for Android phones that can read the chip in the passport, I'm not sure they can all do that? Doesn't it require the same thing in the phone that Android Pay needs?

As for the issue with iPhones, Bob doesn't know how to do iOS work, so that's why.
 
Tolls said:
As for Android phones that can read the chip in the passport, I'm not sure they can all do that? Doesn't it require the same thing in the phone that Android Pay needs?

As for the issue with iPhones, Bob doesn't know how to do iOS work, so that's why.
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A quick internet search shows that the Android phone would need to be able to read an RFID chip. My Nokia 8 apparently can, but Mrs Don's Honor 7 cannot.

As for the idea that this whole thing can be set up from scratch and working in 6 months - well that's ridiculous IMO.
 
MikeG said:
Which is nothing to do with what you were saying, or why I intervened in the conversation. It is also perfectly possible that the EU and the UK could develop streamlined arrangements that resemble the EAW. Again, nothing to do with your initial position that without the EAW there would be no way of removing foreign criminals. Something will replace the EAW, whereas your assumption was that nothing would.
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It was more the case that Ceptimus didn't seem bothered about the loss of the EAW, citing the supposed imbalance as to who benefited from it. But as Amazer says, there no sign of any replace-in-waiting for the EAW, which at the very least will mean bottlenecks in either direction for whatever replaces it.
 
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ceptimus said:
I was only echoing back the phrase you used. And the language you used, in my opinion, was pejorative. What's so difficult to understand?
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Echoes reflect back the original words. They don't first turn them into their opposite. And they don't have opinions. Apart from that, your post wasn't difficult to understand.
 
The Don said:
A quick internet search shows that the Android phone would need to be able to read an RFID chip. My Nokia 8 apparently can, but Mrs Don's Honor 7 cannot.

As for the idea that this whole thing can be set up from scratch and working in 6 months - well that's ridiculous IMO.
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Yeah - why should it take that long! I'm sure Rees-Moggs could knock up an app and processes in an afternoon - it's only you remoaners that are so negative!
 
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