brain/mind

[maatorc]

1... So when I turn on a light, a stream of electromanetic mind emanates from the bulb? What is it thinking?
2... Come on, don't you see that your sentence sounds cool, but is meaningless? ~~ Paul

1... That sentence sounds cool, but is meaningless.
2... I accept you have not caught on to what I am saying.

 

[cyborg]

You have not caught onto what Paul is saying.

IF there are elements of the mind that are a fundamental force why is it that it seems to require a certain configuration of more 'mundane' matter in order for it to manifest itself?

 

[maatorc]

IF there are elements of the mind that are a fundamental force .... ?

I am not saying there are elements of mind that are a fundamental force, but that Mind-Energy is the universal fundamental force as the one underlying principle of universal structure and universal order.

 

[cyborg]

Energy isn't a force.

Before you continue I suggest you start getting real precise with your terminology real quick.

 

[maatorc]

Energy isn't a force.Before you continue I suggest you start getting real precise with your terminology real quick.

What is it then?

 

[cyborg]

Energy.

 

[maatorc]

Energy.

And what IS energy?

 

[Causality]

I believe that is why Yahzi said that we exist 40 ms. in the past.

~~ Paul

Right, that's why I said I partly agree. Sometimes we exist 40 ms in the past, and sometimes a little quicker than that, depending on which brain function is doing the heavy lifting at the time.

 

[cyborg]

And what IS energy?

It would possibly be best thought of as the potential for work.

There is a fairly good exploration here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

In particular you would be wise to avoid the folk ambiguity.

 

[Causality]

It would possibly be best thought of as the potential for work.

There is a fairly good exploration here:

In particular you would be wise to avoid the folk ambiguity.

Also, energy per se doesn't contain any information. The folk references to 'life energy' and such imply that information is contained within the energy, which is not necessarily the case.

 

[maatorc]

1... It would possibly be best thought of as the potential for work.
2... In particular you would be wise to avoid the folk
ambiguity.

1... Agreed: Energy is a positive or active cause which has the ability to produce a perceptible effect. However, the concept of 'work' does not define energy, but explains changes in energy. In the larger context see, for example, "The Universe - A Biography" by John Gribbin, Chapter 4.
2... The comment is too ambiguous to comment on.

 

[Slimething]

1... Agreed: Energy is a positive or active cause which has the ability to produce a perceptible effect. However, the concept of 'work' does not define energy, but explains changes in energy. In the larger context see, for example, "The Universe - A Biography" by John Gribbin, Chapter 4.
2... The comment is too ambiguous to comment on.

maatorc, you have to honor the physics lexicon to get anywhere with this. Energy, work, force, etc have strictly defined meanings. You must use better terminology to express your thoughts or most of us won't understand.

 

[maatorc]

.... Energy, work, force, etc have strictly defined meanings....

Not quite. For example, some see energy as a mathematical abstraction only, and physically non-existent.
I am not aware of any universally accepted 'definition' of energy. It is everywhere and in everything, and pure energy is seen as the primary starting point of the universe by some, the primary existential power underlying all things.
Here, it could be said, energy is to existence as mind is to being.

 

[Slimething]

Not quite. For example, some see energy as a mathematical abstraction only, and physically non-existent.

Whatever

I am not aware of any universally accepted 'definition' of energy.

Maybe if you opened a physics book or a dictionary? Sorry, bub, there are universally accepted definitions of energy, work, power, mass, matter, vibration, etc. You don't accept them? You're n-1. An education is an awful thing to waste.

Here, it could be said, energy is to existence as mind is to being.

Nope. Can't say you weren't warned. cyborg, show him the door, PLEASE!

 

[maatorc]

Whatever Maybe if you opened a physics book or a dictionary? Sorry, bub, there are universally accepted definitions of energy, work, power, mass, matter, vibration, etc. You don't accept them? You're n-1. An education is an awful thing to waste.Nope. Can't say you weren't warned. cyborg, show him the door, PLEASE!

You are not saying anything other than teenager trivia. You have nothing to offer here: Move on.

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

I am not saying there are elements of mind that are a fundamental force, but that Mind-Energy is the universal fundamental force as the one underlying principle of universal structure and universal order.

There are four forces: electromagnetic, gravity, strong, and weak. Are you saying that mind-energy is hidden in one of these, or that it is an unknown fifth force, or that it is a more fundamental force from which the four known forces somehow arise? Or are you saying that mind-energy is a principle, not a force?

You are not saying anything other than teenager trivia.

I would be careful not to become the pot calling the kettle black.

~~ Paul

 

[cyborg]

"The vernacular terminology is not consistent with technical terminology."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy

Either talk physics or don't talk at all. Being ambiguous about the meaning of 'energy' will not be accepted.

 

[Dancing David]

I take it that to you mind is strictly a brain function.
I see mind as a natural universal energy independently existent from but integrated with material structures such as the human brain: The nature of the structure determines the nature of the interaction.
And, in passing, this has no so-called spiritual, philosophical, or religious connotations whatever. Universal mind is a natural force with no reliance whatever on human belief systems which are but functions of its' interaction with the almost infinitely complex human brain.

Uh, there is no evidence for mind without brain, so it seems to be a dependant phenomena.

There is no evidence for universal mind that i have seen yet.

 

[SirPhilip]

I apologize if this all sounds stupid to you and I've wasted your time. I'm sure there is nothing original in this, but does anyone understand what I am trying to express? my best, bdk

This is commonly debated, especially the philosophical implications. Everything in nature takes on a type of anthropic order. Brain is form and the mind is it's function. Both terms are not invalid, they just don't have context outside of themselves. As to the human mind, it is unique in that it is capable of comprehending the environment to such a remarkable degree, it approaches a quality of the mystical. Although it could be argued that humans are simply the highest state life can take in this universe - or that the hominid configuration itself lends this capability.

 

[Jekyll]

Not quite. For example, some see energy as a mathematical abstraction only, and physically non-existent.

Are they physicists who see this, or people working in a field unrelated to energy?

and pure energy is seen as the primary starting point of the universe by some, the primary existential power underlying all things.

How about these people who see this, are they physicists?

Here, it could be said, energy is to existence as mind is to being.

And are they physicists who say this?

You seem to be attempting an argument from authority "It is said..." without naming your authority.

Come on, if you're going to tell us what some people think at least tell us who they are.