"Borat" and Giuliani

Elagabalus said:
Exactly! Giving him the benefit of the doubt is so pre-post-fact worldy. Just keep repeating it and throwing it the wall and see if it sticks.
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I accept that we are in a cold civil war for the future of the country. I've read what Clausewitz said about trying to wage limited war and it was not complementary. If we are in a civil war then the ends justify the means. I wouldn't bat an eye if the incident was an entire fabrication and his life was ruined over nothing. He's an enemy influencer and it doesn't matter how he is disrupted just so long as he is.
 
Craig4 said:
I accept that we are in a cold civil war for the future of the country. I've read what Clausewitz said about trying to wage limited war and it was not complementary. If we are in a civil war then the ends justify the means. I wouldn't bat an eye if the incident was an entire fabrication and his life was ruined over nothing. He's an enemy influencer and it doesn't matter how he is disrupted just so long as he is.
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You're not supposed to say the quiet part out loud, dude. ;)
 
I'm sorry if this has been covered already, but how old did Giuliani think she was? Did she tell him her age, and if so, what age did she claim to be?
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
From Slate: A Shot-by-Shot Analysis of the New Borat’s Giuliani Scene

https://slate.com/culture/2020/10/borat-giuliani-sacha-baron-cohen-video-analyzed.html

Basic conclusion - It's Not a Documentary.
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Well of course, it’s meant to be a comedy movie. I hate to break it to the Slate but Borat isn’t a real person, he is what is known as a character, that is someone who pretends or as those in the know call it acts as if they are someone else...

Slightly more seriously, the in-character response from Cohen is funny but I doubt I could watch a whole movie of such comedy. Cohen couldn’t buy the amount of free publicity this is generating for his film,
 
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Darat said:
Well of course, it’s meant to be a comedy movie. I hate to break it to the Slate but Borat isn’t a real person, he is what is known as a character, that is someone who pretends or as those in the know call it acts as if they are someone else...

Slightly more seriously, the in-character response from Cohen is funny but I doubt I could watch a whole movie of such comedy. Cohen couldn’t buy the amount of free publicity this is generating for his film,
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I thought Borat was great when it was released, but that was 14 years ago. Hard as it might be for SBC to believe, tastes change. I'll try out the new movie, but I'm not excited about the prospect. Whimsical meanness and stereotypical caricatures don't float my boat like they used to. My sense that he's punching down doesn't help.
 
llwyd said:
Well, Borat himself defends Giuliani - I think this powerful statement will lay the controversy to rest:

https://twitter.com/BoratSagdiyev/status/1319431436550561792?s=20
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I have never enjoyed the Borat character, I've always found it cringe-inducing, but that was a very funny response.

If Rudy Giuliani is so wronged, I'd expect the lawsuits to fly but the absence of them so far I'd have to think that he's been caught bang to rights.
 
This could go in this thread or the Trump Presidency thread as it's apropos to both. This is downright scary.

(In the Borat movie) Close to a gun shop, he (Borat) encounters a man who offers Borat a place to say. There, we see two men engage in a conversation about sinister practices that they believe the former President Bill Clinton and his First Lady and one-time Senator, Secretary of State and presidential nominee Hillary Clinton engage in.

Ever the provocateur, Borat asks the two men who is more dangerous, the Democrats or the coronavirus, to which they emphatically say the former.

They continue: "I think with the Democrats, with Obama and I think it goes back to the Clintons when they were also in office." They then agree with Borat when he asks if the Clintons created "this plague."

The second man then says: "The Clintons are very evil. Mostly they torture these kids, it gets their adrenaline flowing in their body, then they take that out of their adrenal glands, and then they drink their blood and that."
Borat then asks them directly whether Hillary Clinton drinks the blood of children, to which the man replies, "that's what we've heard...it's been said."
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The QAnon conspiracy theory has been condemned by the U.S. House of Representatives, and the FBI has labeled the movement around it as a domestic terrorist threat. However, in September a Daily Kos/Civiqs poll of 1,368 people found that a majority of Republicans believe the conspiracy of a deep-state pedophile ring is either "mostly true" (33 percent) or true in "some parts." (23 percent).
More recently, a Yahoo News/YouGov poll saw that while 59 percent of the 1,583 registered voters polled thought QAnon was "an extremist conspiracy theory with no basis in fact," half of Trump supporters said they believed that the President is fighting against a child sex-trafficking ring run by Democrats.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...d-in-movie-sequel/ar-BB1ajJm3?ocid=uxbndlbing
 
Darat said:
Well of course, it’s meant to be a comedy movie. I hate to break it to the Slate but Borat isn’t a real person, he is what is known as a character, that is someone who pretends or as those in the know call it acts as if they are someone else...
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This is it. When Borat does this kind of thing, I don't mind. When Michael Moore does it, I do. That's because Moore is posing as a journalist and Cohen isn't.
 
The Don said:
I have never enjoyed the Borat character, I've always found it cringe-inducing, but that was a very funny response.
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The Borat character is meant to be cringe-inducing, which makes it so much more revealing when people he interacts with aren't grossed out by opinions, attitudes and behavior.
 
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After Rudy's trips to Ukraine, I bet both the Russians and the Ukrainians have far more explicit video than what Borat came up with.
 
Foggy of the Fogbow said:
Tonight the movie will be released on Amazon Prime, I do believe.
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They released it early and it’s available as of last night.

I enjoyed it, but it’s definitely not as funny as the first one. However you feel about Borat and that style of comedy, this movie will not change your mind.

The Giuliani scene was slightly disappointing in that there is not really more to it than what has already been revealed. Again, however you feel about what is happening in that scene probably won’t change after seeing it.

Anyone looking for a “gotcha” is missing the point. Cohen’s approach isn’t to expose (no pun intended), it’s to ridicule.

That Giuliani has had to make an impassioned public plea that he was only tucking in his shirt is exactly the punchline Cohen was looking for.
 
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