Bioelectromagnetics

Lorri said:



Hi Rambling

I have had superb evidence from a medium that certain of my family have survived death. She gave me the full name of my grandmother, including a second name that I knew nothing about. I contradicted the Medium and she said that she could only tell me what came to her. I went to my mum and she said no that was not my grans middle name. However, an aunt found my grans birth certificate and there it was - her second name!

My gran went on to give me guidance via this Medium and told me that with a decision I had to make I should take the hard road, as the easiest thing would have been to slip back in to a situation that was very comfortable for me. I was given very precise information as to my situation and to cut a long story short - I took the hard road, completely changed my life and since then things have been awesome.
And on the basis of things that could easily be achieved by hot reading, you conclude, against all known science and all reason, that a) dead people are undead, b) they exist in a world of the undead, c) they have some means to communicate with the world of the living and d) some of the living have built-in transceivers for this means of communication, where e) said transceivers are totally unknown to biology and where f) the means of communication is totally unknown to physics and g) violates all physical laws of every known means of communication.

What you've got here is a completely irrational claim, based on a completely unverifiable anecdote. That is, indeed, life-changing.
 
Lorri said:



Hi Rambling

I have had superb evidence from a medium that certain of my family have survived death. She gave me the full name of my grandmother, including a second name that I knew nothing about. I contradicted the Medium and she said that she could only tell me what came to her. I went to my mum and she said no that was not my grans middle name. However, an aunt found my grans birth certificate and there it was - her second name!

My gran went on to give me guidance via this Medium and told me that with a decision I had to make I should take the hard road, as the easiest thing would have been to slip back in to a situation that was very comfortable for me. I was given very precise information as to my situation and to cut a long story short - I took the hard road, completely changed my life and since then things have been awesome.
Did you have an appointment to see the medium , or had you seen her before?

Knowing a few facts about you, such as your name and phone number, it would be possible, though time consuming, to use phone books, electoral roles, records offices and so on to find the middle name of your grandmother. If this results in further paid work for the medium, and you advertising her business by telling everyone how amazing she is, that investment in time might be worthwhile.

Alternatively, it might just have been a lucky guess. Maybe she guesses a grandmothers middle name for all her clients - she would pick names that were common at the time client's grandmothers were likely to have been born. She would get most of the guesses wrong, but your grandmother was one of her lucky guesses.

Telling someone that there deseased relative is saying to them, 'take the hard road', is always a safe bet - can you think of anyone who might regard this as other than good advice?

Keep alive at least the possibility that this medium did some RESEARCH on you, before giving you readings, and so was able to tailor the advice to your specific situation.
 
Hi Ceptimus

The Medium was in a University in London, I wandered in off the street and just waited my turn. There was no way that this person could have done any research. My grandother was from Sweden - there is no trace of this in my looks. Her birth name was very Swedish and she adopted a new 'English sounding name'. It was her Swedish middle name that the Medium gave. My situation at the time of the reading was quite unique, not at all stereotypical. My gran - through the Medium - let me know that she was aware of this unique situation. My gran did this to prove to me that she knew what was going on in my life and was able to come to me, she was confirming what I already knew because I had sensed my gran on many occasions.

I am no fool, do not have blind faith but for me - I had my proof. i very much believe that everyones experiences are unique and for that person. I do not think that the Universal Power has it in mind to give blanket proof but rather for people to find their own proof via their own experiences.
 
A what 'if question', Lorri?

Assuming that there's no mundane explanation for your experience with the medium. How do you know that the medium was communicating with the dead?

The information could come from some other psi talent, for example telepathy, clairvoyance, or remote viewing.

Even when assuming that the explanation is a paranormal one there is more that one explanation.

BTW for anyone interested the full reference for the paper Cogres refers to earlier is:

F Jakab, Y Shoenfeld, Á Balogh, M Nichelatti, A Hoffmann, Zs Kahán, K Lapis, Á Mayer, P Sápy, F Szentpétery, A Telekes, L Thurzó, A Vágvölgyi, M Hidvégi. A medical nutriment has supportive value in the treatment of colorectal cancer. British Journal of Cancer 2003;89: 465 - 469.

At:
http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/bjc/journal/v89/n3/abs/6601153a.html

I
 
Timble said:
A what 'if question', Lorri?

Assuming that there's no mundane explanation for your experience with the medium. How do you know that the medium was communicating with the dead?

The information could come from some other psi talent, for example telepathy, clairvoyance, or remote viewing.

Even when assuming that the explanation is a paranormal one there is more that one explanation.
Well, it couldn't be telepathy with Lorri, or her Aunt, because neither of those knew the middle name anyway. Another paranormal explanation is precognition - the medium saw into the future when Lorri DID know her granny's middle name! :)

I'm stumped then. If this medium can repeat that sort of performance at will, there is a million dollars waiting for her, not to mention international fame, and the overturning of conventional science. I suppose she doesn't want any of that though...
 
Hi Timble

What ever the explanation on that day I can tell you that I have received other evidence and it is coming from somewhere. I know that there is a power tht works with me and that it is completely for the good.
 
Please do not let Mr. Coghill's friend to get him out of the essential discussion in this thread.

Move the discussion into another thread. I will reply to Lorri's comments in the thread she started here.


I invite the rest of you to do the same.

Thanks.
 
Cleopatra said:
Please do not let Mr. Coghill's friend to get him out of the essential discussion in this thread.

Move the discussion into another thread. I will reply to Lorri's comments in the thread she started here.


I invite the rest of you to do the same.

Thanks.

Cleopatra can't take not being in the driving seat.
 
Lorri said:
Cleopatra can't take not being in the driving seat.
Ha! That's quite an astute comment but see it the other way. First I have to do all the "heavy duty" --something that I enjoy tremendously-- and you just enjoy the ride with me and second I won't have any excuse to dodge your questions. ;)

Seriously.

Generally I do it in a more subtle way Lorri, I must admit that I was sort of harsh , I apologize.
 
Cleopatra said:

Generally I do it in a more subtle way Lorri, I must admit that I was sort of harsh , I apologize.

My - an apology from Cleopatra -

When Cleopatra VII ascended the Egyptian throne, she was only seventeen. She reigned as Queen Philopator and Pharaoh between 51 and 30 BC, and died at the age of 39.

Edited by Raja: 
This post has been edited to conform to our rules on posting copyrighted material. The full text may be found at this link: http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/alexandria/History/cleo.html
 
Lorri, I assume you did not intend to represent that writing as your own. However, when you present someone else's writing, it is generally a good idea to note who wrote it, otherwise it can have the appearance that you're attempting to pass it as your own work (plagerism). I don't believe that was your intention, but I thought I'd point it out. :) Also AFAIK on the JREF boards I don't believe you can paste in entire articles (that are under copywrite elsewhere). I may be wrong (as I'm new) but I think that they allow quoting and a link to the source, but not the majority (or entirity) or a work without express permission.

The holder of the copywrite on what you pasted is Alaa K. Ashamawy.

http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/alexandria/History/cleo.html
 
Marian said:
Lorri, I assume you did not intend to represent that writing as your own. However, when you present someone else's writing, it is generally a good idea to note who wrote it, otherwise it can have the appearance that you're attempting to pass it as your own work (plagerism). I don't believe that was your intention, but I thought I'd point it out. :) Also AFAIK on the JREF boards I don't believe you can paste in entire articles (that are under copywrite elsewhere). I may be wrong (as I'm new) but I think that they allow quoting and a link to the source, but not the majority (or entirity) or a work without express permission.

The holder of the copywrite on what you pasted is Alaa K. Ashamawy.

http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/alexandria/History/cleo.html

Well there you go Marian = how did you get to be so clever??
 
Please could we stop derailing this thread.Please ignore Lorri she wishes to derail the thread.
 
Sorry, BillHoyt, but like other professions we do not disuss the names of our clients in public.
 
cogreslab said:
Sorry, BillHoyt, but like other professions we do not disuss the names of our clients in public.
This has nothing to do with anything I've written.
 
Apologies, BillHoyt, it was CF Larsen who asked the name of our client not you. The answer I am afraid has to remain commercial in confidence until we publish, and have the funding agent's permission.

I want to get back to the issue of Moulder and start evaluating his three QandA sites if you don't mind, and since I see that Lorri has started a new thread on mediumship (called Mediumship)perhaps that issue might continue there so we can reserve this thread for Bioelectromagnetics?
 
By all means Mr. Coghill!! I was telling Lorri to stop derailing the thread but she attacked me about that.Very strange! I am glad we agree at least on that. :)
 
Before I begin may I point to another site which has also chosen to offer detailed criticisms of Moulder's ELF site at http://www.powerlinefacts.com. I am in no way connected with that outfit, which seems to be a group of concerned citizens based at St Paul, Minnesota. I have not read their site in any detail, and do not wish to cut corners by using it.
 

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