Bioelectromagnetics

cogreslab said:
Wayne Morgan was basically an honest man, who had no idea of the issues nor of the possible health hazards of cellphone use until he found himself involved in this case. The suppliers never told him anything about it so far as I know. I checked with a local Dixons' staff around that time and they had not been advised of any question of health risk by their cellphone suppliers either.

Now the position is changed, thanks to that case. Every retailer now is required to hand a leaflet to cellphone purchasers setting out the potential hazards of excessive use. The Government claims they sent some millions of such leaflets to retailers, but whether the retailers actually give them to customers i do not know.

You haven't answered the question - as usual. I ask again, was he "in" on this? Did he agree to go along with this prosecution to help you, or did you victimize him?

If you think ducking this question does you any credit, think again.
 
TO Rolfe:

"So you confirm that you brought a private prosecution. As is your right. If you are prepared to bear the costs, should you lose.

You simply lied when you stated that you were not required to pay costs because the matter was a criminal one. You were indeed required to pay costs, and whether or not you found the money yourself is quite irrelevant".


No, you are wrong Rolfe. Where does it say I was required to pay the costs of that case? I did not lie. I paid no costs, and surely i should know! Is this just another attempt to draw the thread away from science, and to concentrate on irrelevancies?
 
Wayne Morgan was in no way "in on this". A moment's reflection would tell you that the last thing he would want was to question the safety of cellphones!

Please, can't we discuss the scientific issues, which are of more importance than a case now six years old. Or is this just another diversionary tactic?
 
To Rolfe:

"What I do or don't do for the IoB is none of your business. At least I don't bring their name into disrepute by spouting pseudoscientific nonsense with an MIBiol in my sig line."

Excuse me Rolfe, but didn't you just mention in this thread that you are a Fellow of the IoB,as a means of improving your credibility and status?
 
Rolfe said:
Pragmatist, it's this thread, the one started by Roger himself, called "Bioelectromagnetics", the one moved offline at one point, which is giving trouble. The other three threads are fine, indeed it was through a link on one of these that I came to this one and was completely baffled by the absence of the initial post, and indeed all of Roger's posts for the first few pages.

Are you also a member or fellow of the IoB?

Rolfe.

I had the same trouble when I first encountered this thread. I have no idea what happened with the missing posts, just thought you not be aware of the other threads - I wasn't at first.

No, I'm not associated in any way with the IoB, nor am I a biologist. I have some knowledge of electromagnetics though, and in my opinion Roger is talking complete cr*p, at least as far as the physics parts go.
 
To Lucianarchy:

How many times do have to repeat that the claims made on this unrelated website were without my knowledge or consent. Lucy?

I made very effort to point out that the in vitro tests should not be applied in vivo.
 
To Prag:

"in my opinion Roger is talking complete cr*p, at least as far as the physics parts go".

That's funny, because I have been quoting from recognised physics textbooks for most of the time! I think you should re-examine your nineteenth century physics Prag, and bring it into the 21st century.
 
To Rolfe: How about a few more scientific references to support your argument, and less rude and unsupported value judgements about my expertise? I have not seen one piece of scientific argument from you, only pejorative opinions, and that makes you a discredit to the IoB in my view. Be careful I don't ask for your expulsion for insulting behavour to a fellow member.

But then, of course, you haven't the guts to reveal your identity, have you?
 
cogreslab said:
To Rolfe: <snip> Be careful I don't ask for your expulsion for insulting behavour to a fellow member.

But then, of course, you haven't the guts to reveal your identity, have you?

Infant experiments, insults, and now threats...you're putting on quite the show Mr. Coghill.
 
cogreslab said:
Excuse me Rolfe, but didn't you just mention in this thread that you are a Fellow of the IoB,as a means of improving your credibility and status?
My credibility and status can look after themselves. I mentioned my Fellowship (gained as an initial appointment, without the usual requirement for a period of Membership first, just as an aside) in order to demonstrate that I knew something about the Institute.
cogreslab said:
To Rolfe: How about a few more scientific references to support your argument....
I don't recall having an argument, I recall expressing the value-judgement that your Challenge is unethical.

However, if we're talking about references and supporting one's position, may I remind you that the person making the claims is the one who has to support them. You are claiming that water treated by your magnetic coasters is in some way different from non-magnetised water. Since you have no published data at all to demonstrate that magnetised water can be distinguished from unmagnetised water, and you are charging people money for this bogus and fraudulent product, I do wonder what the IoB might think about this.

Rolfe.
 
cogreslab said:
Wayne Morgan was in no way "in on this". A moment's reflection would tell you that the last thing he would want was to question the safety of cellphones!

Please, can't we discuss the scientific issues, which are of more importance than a case now six years old. Or is this just another diversionary tactic?

Thank you.

Let me explain a few things. Before I joined this forum, for quite some time I had been reading various posts, just for interest and amusement. This thread caught my eye for two reasons:

a) It was related to electromagnetics which is an area I am interested in.
b) It had some relation to biohazards of EM radiation which I am also interested in.

And so I watched with some interest because I AGREED with your initial premise that some potential biohazards of EM were being underestimated. That does NOT mean that I agree with your specific claims, just that I was sympathetic to your cause.

But as I watched the thread develop I became increasingly disturbed by the fundamental boo boo's you were making in basic physics. And it was your arrogance to Bill that finally prompted me to join in and comment.

At that point I thought you were a bit of a harmless crank. And I tried to discuss science with you. But look where that got me! You were never interested in any serious scientific discussion. Instead you just toss out the same tired propaganda and pseudoscience over and over again.

So then I started to seriously wonder what you were up to. Because in my experience when people falsely claim to be scientists there is usually an ulterior motive. And the more I find out about you, the less I like it. You are a scaremonger. You use the fear and ignorance of the lay public to promote yourself and also to promote the sale of highly suspect "protection" devices. And now I find out that you intentionally victimized an innocent man and deliberately and maliciously damaged his business to again promote yourself.

And before you deny that you didn't do that, you are on record as telling a newspaper that Wayne Morgan had told you that his sales had dropped by 30% by the time of the first pre trial review. And that's just the tip of the iceberg, we don't know what other damage you did after that.

It gets better. After all your bluster about how you were the VICTIM of a conspiracy, we now discover the truth - that you and others CONSPIRED to set up this mobile phone guy!

And who exactly ARE these others I wonder. I have a suspicion that at least one of them may have been the manufacturer of certain dubious "protective products". Any comment?

Then I find circumstantial evidence that seems to indicate that the tax payers of Wales are funding your schemes?! AND you are part of a political party seeking to influence the government of that region!!!!

And finally, we have the "Coghill Challenge", which is apparently an incitement to commit an act of child abuse in breach of worldwide experimental ethics and human rights. Now, I know it will never happen. But that isn't the point. You use this disgusting mechanism to SCARE the lay public into believing your BS and to promote yourself even further. A normal member of the public will never know that this "challenge" can never be performed, and they will think that you have "won" your case. That is fraud sir, pure and simple.

The deeper I look, the more outrageous it gets. No, this is no diversionary tactic, that is what YOU engage in, I do not stoop to your level.

I may have thought you were a harmless crank. I was wrong. You are dangerous Roger. And EVIL in my opinion. I sincerely hope that you DO get publicity, but not the publicity you want. The public need to be warned about people like you.
 
cogreslab said:
To Prag:

"in my opinion Roger is talking complete cr*p, at least as far as the physics parts go".

That's funny, because I have been quoting from recognised physics textbooks for most of the time! I think you should re-examine your nineteenth century physics Prag, and bring it into the 21st century.

Yes, funny that, I distinctly remember you saying you didn't HAVE many physics textbooks and that the only relevant one was Feynman Vol2. And the only thing I remember you quoting was a snippet from the WHO website, which hardly qualifies as a textbook. No matter, I wonder who wrote that for the WHO....wait a moment, wasn't it the NRPB? Now where have I heard the NRPB mentioned before I wonder....?

:dl:
 
To Prag:

It saddens me Prag, that as my scientific responses to your questions get stronger and better supported by the independent peer reviewed evidence you demand, you resort more and more to denigration as a means of response. You raised a number of issues in a recent post, and I have responded with scientific evidence to all of them. Rather than discuss these you appear to have abandoned any scientific discussion for sheer invective. Pity, I thought skeptics were solidly grounded in facts, not in using emotive allegations in place of argument.

I have brought to this thread a well constructed and science based argument about carcinogenesis, I have put befiore you a number of facts relating to the issue of EMF exposure guidelines, and have also been prepared to defend the bioeffectiveness of static magnetic fields, all of which which I thought you wanted to explore in a scientific manner. It turns out all you now want to say is "You are rubbish , Coghill", and for a number of reasons unrelated to science, without giving any valid reasons for your "opinions".

Well, not many people reading this thread will be impressed with your arguments Prag.

If you do not want to debate this matter, but simply to throw insults at people, then there seems little point in continuing this as a dialogue.
 
Rolfe said:
However, if we're talking about references and supporting one's position, may I remind you that the person making the claims is the one who has to support them. You are claiming that water treated by your magnetic coasters is in some way different from non-magnetised water. Since you have no published data at all to demonstrate that magnetised water can be distinguished from unmagnetised water, and you are charging people money for this bogus and fraudulent product, I do wonder what the IoB might think about this.

Rolfe.

Forget the coasters, Rolfe. It's far worse than that!

He's selling "devices" (little metal pendants and things) which he claims will "completely protect against EM radiation" amongst other things. And worse he is using his "credentials" to give "scientific" endorsements to just about every hokey "protection device" out there. The claims I have seen include one that such a device will "boost the immune system by 20%!"

This isn't just some flakey magnet vendor, this guy is DANGEROUS!
 
To Rolfe:

You said:

"You are claiming that water treated by your magnetic coasters is in some way different from non-magnetised water. Since you have no published data at all to demonstrate that magnetised water can be distinguished from unmagnetised water...".

Sorry, Rolfe, but there is peer reviewed evidence that static magnetic fields have effects on water. I quoted the Wu study on this thread for example, where magnetised water eliminated ascarid worms from infested children, but I could have quoted others.
 
"He's selling "devices" (little metal pendants and things) which he claims will "completely protect against EM radiation".

Where on my website?
 
cogreslab said:
To Lucianarchy:

How many times do have to repeat that the claims made on this unrelated website were without my knowledge or consent. Lucy?

I made very effort to point out that the in vitro tests should not be applied in vivo.

From: http://www.spiritualpage.com.au/coghillreport.pdf

This is about the "Spiral of Tranquillity"

The top of every page in the report contains the header: Protective effect of a device on lymphocyte competence in vivo. (my emphasis)

They say that is the complete report as submitted to them.
 
To Marian:

What kind of fairness are you bringing to this thread, Marian? Many other posters have been continually insulting to me without any comment from you at all. Rolfe threatened me with a complaint to the IoB, and started waving his Fellow status in the air. Now as soon as I am giving some of these guys a little of their own medicine, you step in to criticise me!

As for infant experiments, there have been none, except of course the enormous biological experiment being conducted by the NRPB on the entire population of this country by knowingly advising the public there is no hazard to health from a 100 V/m electric field, in the face of several epi studies reporting this hazard and hundreds of cellular and animal studies, thereby putting every British infant into jeopardy.
 
cogreslab said:
Sorry, Rolfe, but there is peer reviewed evidence that static magnetic fields have effects on water. I quoted the Wu study on this thread for example, where magnetised water eliminated ascarid worms from infested children, but I could have quoted others.
Oh, I missed that piece of nonsense, you wouldn't care to re-post the reference? Sounds like great fun! Unfortunate author name - not Winston, I hope!

You don't have to eliminate any worms, you just have to distinguish water that has been on one of your coasters from otherwise-identical water that hasn't. Can you do it? If you can, you might like to talk to Mr. Randi about quite a lot of money that might help fund your next malicious legal attack against some poor soul going about his legitimate business.

Rolfe.
 
cogreslab said:
To Lucianarchy:

How many times do have to repeat that the claims made on this unrelated website were without my knowledge or consent. Lucy?

I made very effort to point out that the in vitro tests should not be applied in vivo.

I think you have me confused with someone else.

You seem to have done the right thing, IMO.
 

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