Bioelectromagnetics

[Cleopatra]

To cleopatra: I was distressed to read that you found any of my remarks offensive. Could you please tell me which ones?

Mr. Coghill as you might have noticed I have a great respect for other people's claims and I have endless resources of patience when it comes to questions that should be answered. I can wait for ages. BUT I don't like it when people attempt to underestimate my intelligence.

I have not studied physics but I am trained in reading reports on scientific issues that have to do with forensic medicine mostly. You have not replied to simple questions regarding your challenge and from your writings I have concluded that you invest on other people's fear.

I will be ready to admit that I am wrong and I will apologize humbly about my mistake if you reply to Bill Hoyt's questions. You avoid to reply to them and I find it disturbing and offensive for my intelligence ( I speak for myself but I am sure that many fellow posters share those feelings).

Re the Atlantis story, I hope you might take into account that I was an Open Scholar in Classics, and read the Plato dialogue with some care.

I happen to have studied the Classics as well and I happen to believe that studying the Classics is like taking advanced courses in critical thinking. I confess that I feel surpized that you see the platonic allegory as a prime historical source.

But this is a digression from my main these of bioelectromagnetics. If you want to debate this issue perhaps we should start a new separate thread? Frankly I would rather not at this time since I cannot do justice to both with the limited time available to me. If Cleopatra will buyu me lunch I would nbe happy to take her through the entire literature. She is probably one of the few in this thread would could read the original Greek.

I think that I have posted before a number of threads from this very forum where we discuss the issue.

I never refuse an invitation to lunch even when I have to pay the bill especially when somebody promises me to lecture me on Plato, the topic of my PhD thesis.

 

[Cleopatra]

Att:Mr. Coghill.

Browsing your site Mr. Coghill I have discovered that you have worked on Atlantis as well.
http://www.galonja.co.uk/galonja_sh...&g_u_nam=&g_tim=&pid=59&v_det=1&full=1&c_id=0
We have a couple of threads about that. Maybe you want to post your comments there. I confess that I find disappointing the fact that a classicist cannot see what Plato meant with Atlantis.

Anyway. These are the threads I am talking about

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870433881#post1870433881

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=32404&highlight=atlantis

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33523&highlight=atlantis

 

[Cleopatra]

Cleopatra: Do you have a soft spot for polite and eloquent males? (Fine with me, I'm one of them, if I want to ). Mr. Coghill is a woowoo by any definition. except that he might be a fraud, meaning that he knows he is cheating, but is doing it for money. If you can't see the signs, say so, and I'll list them for you.

Hans

Oh yes I do have such a soft spot by all means but as you might have noticed I am strongly influenced by the Greek Philosophy. "Undressing" somebody of his claims and removing them "petal by petal" is my favorite hobby . I noticed how Mr.Coghill dodges the issues and I enjoyed how he attempts to disassociate himself from the PhoneShield crystal I just HOPE he honors us with a discussion about Atlantis

 

[MRC_Hans]

I like lists. Let's see it.

Well, for a starter (all from the cogresslab site:

Cogreslab products (selected):

Dog Bed
Price: £59.00 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Helps your dog get a better night sleep. This product is ideal for, arthritic joints, muscular complaints, skin problems, aches and pains, poor circulation.

Asphalia
Price: £29.99 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Now Available. An organic food supplement especially designed to protect and boost the immune system.
The Asphalia pack is sufficient for 30 days supply. This organic food supplement is made from Festuca Arundinacea, a health-giving Welsh valleys meadow grass with attributes superior to Wheatgrass. Supplied in liquid or powder format. Includes delivery and VAT. Adjuvant for post-illness recovery. May also be taken in conjunction with chemotherapeutic or surgical excisive interventions. For scientific details see our website www.cogreslab.co.uk

Magnetic Coaster
Price: £20.00 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

About the size of a CD, this powerful coaster has powerful magnets hidden within an attractive wipe clean plastic shell. Use it to 'magnetise' drinking water, or even improve the taste of red wine (!) Every kitchen should have at least one.

Mood Maker
Price: £52.35 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Can help with impotency without the use of powerful drugs. The Mood Maker will gently and gradually increase circulation in the pelvic area. The small unit discreetly attaches to your underwear.

Pet Coaster
Price: £20.00 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Given the choice your pet will always choose to drink magnetic water, they can tell the difference. Magnetic water is more natural. Using a pet coaster ensures that your pet receives maximum benefit from their drinking water. They will love the taste.

Sports Band
Price: £20.00 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Attractive looking wrist magnet that will improve your health and general well being. Built chiefly to work with your bodies own natural repair systems. The longer you wear the sports band the faster it can help to eliminate the toxins that naturally build up in your body’s systems.

Harmoniser
Price: £17.62 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Promotes that feeling of wellbeing and gain personal protection most RF radiations with this pendant device. Also available in Silver and Gold.

MicroShield
Price: £39.60 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Reduce radiation from your mobile phone by up to 99%.
Microshield pouches for protection against cell phone radiations are arguably the most clearly demonstrable protective devices since they use a metallic mesh shielding inside a stylish leather casing to reduce radiations by around 99 percent. Shields for most cell phone models available.

Pet collar
Price: £17.00 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Used by vets and owners alike to increase pets energy, bring pain relief and generally improve health. Comes in 3 sizes.(check price for size)
Using technology developed in the USA, the collar uses natural biomagnetic field to help improve health and alleviate pain.

The Coghill SuperMagnet
Price: £38.78 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Alternative treatment for aches, sprains, muscular pain and many other conditions.
Designed after a thorough review of the literature and intensive laboratory research, this set of magnets enables you to apply the right strength in exactly the right place and for the correct number of applications as uncovered by scientific studies from many countries.
Our unique method of superposition can deliver fields from 450 to 2450 gauss at the pole face, just in the therapeutic range. These magnets are a neodymium, boron iron mix, and are extremely difficult to degauss. In fact we guarantee them for 30 years in normal use, and they carry a 60 day money back guarantee: you simply cannot lose in trying them for aches sprains and muscular pain, but for a complete list of its many uses see our book, The Book of Magnet Healing listed in the catalogue.

Various statements:

ENDOGENOUS FIELDS.

your body's natural electric fields protect you against disease by improving the viability of your white blood cells! Look after your aura!

About what turns out to be normal neodyne magnets:

We have developed specially designed Supermagnets made not of iron but of rare earth metals, upto 8000 times more powerful than the Earth’s geomagnetic field.

SuperMagnets differ from all others in that their magnetic field strengths can be easily altered by the user according to the required application. <=This statement is a bald-faced lie.

Our laboratory has developed the use of static magnets as a therapy for lower back pain and myalgias, with spectacular success: sometimes relief comes in minutes, even for longstanding sufferers, without side effects. Often the pain never returns after treatment.

Hans

 

[Cleopatra]

First of all. People buy the Phone Shield because the PhoneShield people claim that your lab has tested it and it has scientifically proven that it works as a protection.

Second I will recap the questions tomorrow for you if it is the manner that bothers you.

I bite my fingers right now not to ask you what sort of feedback you get from the dogs that use the blankets you sell.

 

[Cleopatra]

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To Cleopatra: please! I do not sell crystals, and I don't sell the Phone Dome thing.

MicroShield
Price: £39.60 Pounds Sterling (Price Includes VAT)

Reduce radiation from your mobile phone by up to 99%.
Microshield pouches for protection against cell phone radiations are arguably the most clearly demonstrable protective devices since they use a metallic mesh shielding inside a stylish leather casing to reduce radiations by around 99 percent. Shields for most cell phone models available.

 

[Cleopatra]

To cleopatra: I have already said I cannot constantly monitor all the 9000 plus websites which refer to me, and that I will speak to the PhoneShield people about this misleading reference to our lab. What more do you suggest I do? I think you are being a tad unfair to blame me for some unscrupulous third party using our good name in that way without my knowledge or consent.

In the other thread Mr.Coghill you didn't mention that the reference of the PhoneShield people to your lab hasn't come to your attention in advance. In fact it appeared that you were quite aware of that , this is how you joined the forum to be exact.

So, if my post about the shield brought you here I have difficulties to believe that for you the site of the PhoneShield people is just one reference out of the 9000.

If am not entitled to give legal advices on line but If I were you I would consult my lawyers as to what I would have to do if people got advantage of my work.

As to your questions allow me to remark that they are sort of irrelevant because I do not sell objects that promise to protect people and the public health. You even use the legend of Atlantis to do so but I do not find your questions offensive at all of course you put them in a polite manner.Your interests flatters me. My PhD was about the perception of beauty in antiquity.

Once you claim things about the public health you must expect questions, I am sure that this must not surprize you and I am sure that this is not the first time that you are asked to reply to questions.

Since it's Bill's manner that upsets you I will re-phrase his questions. I hope you don't find offensive my manners either.

 

[CFLarsen]

My dear Mr Larsen, why cannot you admit your error like a gentleman, instead of living up to the middle letters of your name? You see, I too can be offensive if I want to but it doesn't make for good science. So why don't we just concentrate on the science and leave out these childish expressions like woo and bot?

What "error"?

This one?

Can I next deal with Mr. Larsen's rude comment that I am a fraud, by not citing the entire NRPB text. Well nor did he.

You did say that I brought out "the full text":

CFLarsen was quite right to bring out the full text of the NRPB's point of view...

So, no, Roger, I will not "admit" my "error", because I made none. You, on the other hand, chose to post only the part of the quote that could indicate you were right. You deliberately left out the part that proved you were wrong.

I maintain that you are a fraud. Your refusal to answer pertinent questions about your business shows this also, despite the severity of your claims.

 

[BillHoyt]

"The £2000 ($3000) Coghill Challenge to power utility workers and the NRPB_ is:

Place any human infant of less than three months_ age to sleep each night for at least eight hours in an ELF electric field of 100 Volts per metre for thirty days. My studies predict that child will die, or become so seriously ill that the test will have to be called off. The NRPB and the power utilities' investigation levels by contrast_ predict there will be no adverse effect.

I will personally bet any NRPB member of staff or any_ any electric power utility worker around the world £2000 (or US$3000)_ willing to do this experiment, that my prediction will prove correct. "



What is the third choice?
When will you answer this question?
What is the third choice?

1. You don't believe what you pitch about the danger of power lines, in which case you are a fraud, or

2. You do believe in the danger of power lines, in which case you are morally bankrupt to offer money to commit infanticide.

What it the third choice?
When will you answer the question?
What is the third choice?

 

[Ed]

Am I missing something? Are you selling magnet therapy?

 

[MRC_Hans]

Microshield is not a crystal. It is a fine metallic mesh which cuts down the radiation on the side of the user. These meshes have been tested as effective not only by us but by other facilities. Any electronics engineer will confirm that such metallic meshes have that effect, - there is no mystery about them.

When BillHoyt agrees on this forum to stop using abusive terms to me and removes his stupid animation I will answer his self evident question. Meanwhile I consider him beneath the dignity of a reply. Sorry.

Excuse me, but on the side of a cell-phone (practically all cellphones) facing the user is the display and the keyboard. How do you read the display and operate the keyboard through a fine metal mesh inside a stylish leather casing . Edited to add: And why does a one-shilling piece of metal mesh sell at nearly 40 quid? Must be some fine leather casing.

About me not being cristian enough to mention you money-back guarantee: This is the usual mantra; "we know it works". You can sell ANYTHING to peope with a money-back guarantee, and get few returns, especially mail-order .

Hans

 

[Cleopatra]

Mr. Coghill

After re-reading the two threads and “The Coghill Challenge” I have concluded that your posts pose the following problems :

After reading your challenge I see two options: either for somebody who is “sleeping in bedplaces where the ELF electric field is elevated above normal levels (say above 20 Volts per metre) there is serious ill health from chronic exposure (asthenias and leukaemias in adults, cot death in children).” [I am quoting you verbatim]

OR

Nothing of what you describe above will happen.

If the first case is right Mr. Coghill it’s not only that you are willing to put a human’s life in danger but you have given a price to a human’s life as well. You have estimated the cost of a human’s life to £2000 (or US$3000). I won't post any further comments on that because it speaks for itself. I wonder what are your thoughts though.

How seriously can be taken such a theatrical challenge? What sort of Science needs this sort of challenges?

I refuse by nature to see malice in people. I do not think for example that you set up a challenge that cannot be taken by anybody so as you can sell your products unchallenged, I choose to believe that you created those melodramatic rules in order to make people see the risks you see for the public health.

I cannot help but wondering though, if you don’t wish to dodge the issue and all you have in mind is the interests of the general public why don’t you use your own child –the very young one-- to your experiment? ( I read about it in your biography in your site : http://www.cogreslab.co.uk/cogbiog.htm )and you have a price for other people's kids that you want to protect?

If everything goes when it comes to science and public health why don’t you take the challenge in order to save your credibility?

I could make a comment about the Christian behavior you asked Hans to demonstrate but it's not really necessary it would be quite of bad taste if i did such a thing.

As to your claim that I am accusing you of selling crystals I am not accusing you of anything. This is what I read in the site:

Voila!

The PhoneShield technology was successfully tested by independent experts in Great Britain at the respected Coghill Research Laboratories which reported that The PhoneShield crystal resonator (formerly known as PhonePulse in the development stage)
"is effective in mitigating the detrimental biological effects of cell phone radiation and thus affords significant protection". Roger Coghill is an acknowledged expert on electro magnetic radiation and gave evidence to the IEGMP.”

From here.


BTW I bought the crystal and I have stuck it on my cell. It’s a nice way to inform people about how <strike through>theatrical science </strike through> pseudoscience works.

 

[JamesM]

If everything goes when it comes to science and public health why don’t you take the challenge in order to save your credibility?

I could make a comment about the Christian behavior you asked Hans to demonstrate but it's not really necessary it would be quite of bad taste if i did such a thing.

Anyway, sacrificing your own children is more Old Testament, innit?

 

[Cleopatra]

Anyway, sacrificing your own children is more Old Testament, innit?

Hmmmm. Correct but if not as a believer of the Old Testament, as a classicist I wouldn't have any problem to do it for the interest of the general public....

Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter afterall...

 

[Ed]

Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter afterall...

Another drunken Greek rear-admiral. Jesus Christ, is there one Greek that hasn't been dust for 2000 years that you can bring up? No wonder everyone over there has a bitty drinking problem.

Fig leaves around rice. Terrific. Here, in the modern world we call that "chum". And, no, the marbles are staying right where they are, or in my backyard. You guys make me sick with your moaning and pathetic connection to a past that was characterised by yet more drinking and chasing young boys. Grow up. Get with the program and join 1000's of other Greeks. Ship out on a merchantman and jump ship in NY harbor. Make a beeline to Astoria and look for Steinway Street. Just don't say "INS" too loudly.

Sheesh.

(in case you didn't know)

 

[Ed]

And just look what happened to him (and Cassandra heh).

Don't get me started again.

 

[BillHoyt]

Don't get me started again.

Ed,

Do you see the "self-evident" answer to my questions? Is he a fraud or does his challenge ask for infanticide? What is the "self-evident" third choice he has been unable to produce for several days now?

 

[BillHoyt]

Hmmmm. Correct but if not as a believer of the Old Testament, as a classicist I wouldn't have any problem to do it for the interest of the general public....

Agamemnon sacrificed his own daughter afterall...

Cleopatra,

Do you see the "self-evident" to my questions? Is he a fraud or does his challenge ask for infanticide? What is the "self-evident" third choice he has been unable to produce for several days now? Is it not high time to cease treating him as a mensche and start decrying his utter chutzpah?

 

[BillHoyt]

Anyway, sacrificing your own children is more Old Testament, innit?

JamesM,

Do you see the "self-evident" to my questions? Is he a fraud or does his challenge ask for infanticide? What is the "self-evident" third choice he has been unable to produce for several days now?

 

[Ed]

Ed,

Do you see the "self-evident" answer to my questions? Is he a fraud or does his challenge ask for infanticide? What is the "self-evident" third choice he has been unable to produce for several days now?

His "challenge" specifically encourages behavior in non-believers that he seems convinced will result in the loss of a human life. Dispicable. Potentially actionable if some loon tries it. What is it with the UK?