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I hope to visit Connecticut in July for the Gordon Conference on endogenous electric fields organised by Rick Nuccitelli, as it happens. Hope its not too hot!
 
cogreslab said:
One source for this issue is "AIDS: the HIV Myth" by Jad Adams, Mcmillan Publishers, 1989.
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Decade old research wich in the world of HIV research is forever.
 
Thanks geni for pointing out the link to the article. I am no expert in this field, but there was a similar increase in polio fatalities after the innoculation against polio in Hawaii in 1958, in Montreal in 1959, and in Detroit in 1958. Similar disasters following smallpox vaccination occurred in the Phillipines in the 1920s after the US Army conducted what was tantamount to an experiment on the entire nation. Instead of protection the vaccines seems to have caused infection. I have all the official stats if you want me to pst them. Improvements in hygiene since then are probably more responsible for the fall off in incidence than any vaccination programme.

It's all very well using swearwords and unsupported value judgements, but please bring a little science into your posts.
 
Ok science. Virues do exist and humans when exposed to the polio virus will contract polio. Meningits is not polio. Despite the use of some very toxic chemicals there have been no cases of polio in uk chemistry labs for quite a while. We have wipped out the virus in many countries and the only common factor is vacinatio. When vacintation levels fell in nigeria the number of polio cases rose. That good enough for you?
 
cogreslab said:
The scam was over a decade old, geni. The passage of time doesnt make it less of a scam.
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Hmm care to be injected with the HIV virus? If not why not? A decade ago our understanding of AIDS was nowhere near the level it is now. If the HIV virus is not respocible why to the drugs which reduce the number of the virus increase life expectancy so much?
 
cogreslab said:
It's all very well using swearwords and unsupported value judgements, but please bring a little science into your posts.
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What, you want us to reduce to the little science you bring to bear here? You're a case, roger.

Regarding your morally repugnant babies-under-the-power-lines challenge, though, why don't these all fall over and die?

Or him?

Why don't Great Horned Owlscome crashing down from these poles?
 
reply to the post: Did these studies also take into account the fact that real estate that lies under power lines tends to be lower-cost, available to lower-income families? That typically those who do live under power lines (specifically the high-voltage type lines we are discussing) tend to be on the lower end of the income scale? Did the studies also take into account the fact that things like regular health care and nutrition are less available at low income? That depression and suicide is more common among low income households? Just tossing out a few ideas, but there have been these types of problems with these studies. If the study does not take this into account, then the sample they get from power lines is not representative of the population at large, and comparing cancer rates is comparing apples and oranges (and not in an IR spectrograph, where apples and oranges are remarkably similar).

The studies I referred to were by Bob Kavet and Stephen Perry, but there were others too. I will answer your good questions in a separate post , since i m a bit pressed for time right now.
 
Please see the challenge the rogbot wishes that you miss. Please also go to this thread that the rogbot hopes you will be distracted from. Please also note the rogbot thinks I posted studies, and responded to them. Somebody please tell the rogbot that those were pictures, not studies.
 
cogreslab said:
One source for this issue is "AIDS: the HIV Myth" by Jad Adams, Mcmillan Publishers, 1989. Curious to know, if it was not a virus, what might be the environmental cause of this acquired immunodeficit, I did some preliminary unpublished work and found a relationship between children born at the same time as MW telecommunications towers. Also a meta-analysis I did which compared registered AIDS cases and the levels of RF/MW radiation in the same cities as measured for the US Govt by Ric Tell found a correlation between high AIDS incidence and high RF/MW levels in the fifteen largest US cities. There seemed to be no relationship between city population size and AIDS incidence, which one might perhaps have expected from a viral aetiology.

None of this stuff is published, btw, so must at this stage be regarded as simply speculative on my part. Given the existing literature however, it would not surprise me to find this relationship borne out by a well conducted epi study. Sadly I have not the funding for such a research project.
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Is the suggestion that MW causes or is in some way responsible for AIDS?
 
geri: please give me the scientific reference showing how polio levels fell in Nigeria after vaccination. Presently it is an unsupported claim by you.
 
To BillHoyt. First would you have the courtesy to adress me by my user name, cogreslab. Or would you like me to call you airhead? For that is how you are coming over. When I have that courtesy extended to me I will respond to your other comments.
 
cogreslab said:
To BillHoyt. First would you have the courtesy to adress me by my user name, cogreslab. Or would you like me to call you airhead? For that is how you are coming over. When I have that courtesy extended to me I will respond to your other comments.
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To geni: 20 percent of people with HIV do not have AIDS. a similar proportion of AIDS patients do not have HIV. How do you explain that? Refce: Adams, 1989. Moreover, one of the world's most reputable microbiologists Peter Duesberg offered to hacve himself injected with HIV in order to show it could not produce AIDS. And Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute,, the discover of the HIV virus, himself says it cannot possibly be the cause of AIDS, simply a marker, just like a fire truck is marker for a house fire. Association does not prove a causal relationship, as any epidemiologist will tell you.
 
cogreslab said:
To geni: 20 percent of people with HIV do not have AIDS. a similar proportion of AIDS patients do not have HIV. How do you explain that? Refce: Adams, 1989. Moreover, one of the world's most reputable microbiologists Peter Duesberg offered to hacve himself injected with HIV in order to show it could not produce AIDS. And Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute,, the discover of the HIV virus, himself says it cannot possibly be the cause of AIDS, simply a marker, just like a fire truck is marker for a house fire. Association does not prove a causal relationship, as any epidemiologist will tell you.
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HIV fulfills Koch's postulates as the cause of AIDS.


http://www.niaid.nih.gov/factsheets/evidhiv.htm

All your quotes are at least a decade old.
 
OK, first look at Roger's website rang my woowoo alarm loud and clear, but he seemed a gentleman so, benefit of doubt.

Well, no more. Woowoo it is. I can just squeeze you in on my ignore list (a busy place these days ;)).

Hans
 
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