Bernie Sanders town hall feat. Elizabeth Warren, Michael Moore

[quadraginta]

Is that reversed from how you meant to put it, since we were talking about people who "voted for Obama and liked his healthcare plan"?

We were talking about whether or not people would have been dissuaded from voting a certain way because of the vilification of Obamacare.

Wouldn't they like Obamacare and hate the ACA?

There were people who hated Obama and Obamacare and were completely unaware that Obamacare and the ACA were one and the same.

It would not be beyond reasonable belief that there were people who voted against Obama in his second term, Democrats in every election since 2010, which includes Clinton, because (in part if not necessarily in whole) of their hatred for Obamacare, in spite of the fact that they liked the ACA. In fact, we know that this actually happened.

 

[kellyb]

We were talking about whether or not people would have been dissuaded from voting a certain way because of the vilification of Obamacare.




There were people who hated Obama and Obamacare and were completely unaware that Obamacare and the ACA were one and the same.

It would not be beyond reasonable belief that there were people who voted against Obama in his second term, Democrats in every election since 2010, which includes Clinton, because (in part if not necessarily in whole) of their hatred for Obamacare, in spite of the fact that they liked the ACA. In fact, we know that this actually happened.

What % of the voting population were they, would you estimate, (or link to if possible) and was it primarily the mandate they hated?

 

[quadraginta]

What % of the voting population were they, would you estimate, (or link to if possible) and was it primarily the mandate they hated?

All tough questions to quantify, as I am sure you know.

But considering the amount of time, money, and broadcast exposure which was devoted to the vilification and lies about the ACA as "Obamacare, it would be silly to try and argue that the effect was insignificant.

Obviously the people who were perpetrating those distortions and lies believed (and believe) it wasn't, or they would not have continued to invest so much in the effort. An effort which continues to this day, it bears mentioning.

 

[Delphic Oracle]

We were talking about whether or not people would have been dissuaded from voting a certain way because of the vilification of Obamacare.




There were people who hated Obama and Obamacare and were completely unaware that Obamacare and the ACA were one and the same.

It would not be beyond reasonable belief that there were people who voted against Obama in his second term, Democrats in every election since 2010, which includes Clinton, because (in part if not necessarily in whole) of their hatred for Obamacare, in spite of the fact that they liked the ACA. In fact, we know that this actually happened.

In similar fashion, people who indicated dislike for Obamacare were very positive about being able to keep their children on their current plan until 26, new pre-existing condition protections, etc.

This is where the tapatalk signature that annoys people used to be

 

[kellyb]

Obviously the people who were perpetrating those distortions and lies believed (and believe) it wasn't, or they would not have continued to invest so much in the effort. An effort which continues to this day, it bears mentioning.

See, I think it's more probable that they were preaching to the proverbial choir, to get them angry enough to show up for the 2010 midterms, maybe with the intention of gerrymandering the snot out of the country if they achieved their objective.