Being the victim of an assault while black

[TurkeysGhost]

A black hotel clerk had to call police to help eject a drunk and unruly guest who refused to leave the premises.

Half an hour later that same man returned and rushed behind the counter to assault the clerk. That clerk, Raymond Rachal, managed to get the upper hand in the unarmed skirmish and called 911 while pinning the assailant to the ground.

Cops showed up, aggressively shoved the victim of a premeditated assault around, and arrested him. The assailant was given a ride to a friend's house.

Rachal was arrested and charged with resisting an officer, while Rabe was charged with trespassing and given a ride back to a friend’s house.

During the ride, body camera captured Rabe saying how none of what happened was his fault.

“I didn’t look at the video. You guys obviously have seen it, but I’m pretty sure I didn’t cross that black line,” he said, referring to the crowd control stanchion in a retractable belt at the clerk’s desk.

The charges against the clerk were later dropped. Surveillance cams and police bodycam show that the police claims of shoving and "resisting" were untrue.


https://wsvn.com/news/local/new-bodycam-footage-shows-chaotic-confrontation-between-hotel-employee-guest-at-a-fort-lauderdale-beach-hotel/

 

[Thermal]

Well spank my ass and call me Donny...what have we here? Yet another heavily spun OP tale. Breaking it down and filling in the curiously absent details:

A black hotel clerk had to call police to help eject a drunk and unruly guest who refused to leave the premises.

At no point is it claimed that the clerk, Rachal, called the police. Bodycam footage showed a calm, slow moving drunk guest, and Rachal (in the words of the reporter) being "less than cooperative" with police. Yeah, understatement of the year. Rachal was belligerent and screaming at the cops, eventually prancing around screaming 70's tunes and dabbing. Dude looked like he was tripping balls.

Drunk was ordered off the premises by police, and no action taken against Rachal. So far, full win for our intrepid clerk.

Half an hour later that same man returned and rushed behind the counter to assault the clerk. That clerk, Raymond Rachal, managed to get the upper hand in the unarmed skirmish...

LOL, "managed to get the upper hand"? Rachal threw the first and apparently only punches after el drunko ran at him, and proceeded to beat said drunk bloody, long beyond simple defense or restraint.

...and called 911 while pinning the assailant to the ground.

Bull ****. The story reports quite clearly that another guest called police. Rachal was busy beating the drunk into next week.

Cops showed up, aggressively shoved the victim of a premeditated assault around, and arrested him. The assailant was given a ride to a friend's house.

Not quite. Cops arrive to find Rachal on top of the face-down drunk and pursuing a recreational beating.

Here's the fun part: Rachal, on bodycam, chest-bumps one of the cops in the midst of his aggressive behavior. I kind of have a feeling that that is the reason why he was charged with resisting on the spot, before the surveillance footage was reviewed.

The cops gave the drunk a ride to the drunk's friend's house. He was again calm and slow-speaking. While that is weird, as far as the police knew at the time, he was probably viewed as the victim of a violent beating, no matter who started it. They had his info and could follow up with appropriate charges later.

The charges against the clerk were later dropped. Surveillance cams and police bodycam show that the police claims of shoving and "resisting" were untrue.

I guess that bodycammed chest-bump was Rachal just misstepping while continuing his improvised song and dance recital?

Plus or minus, the cops seemed ok here. They ejected the drunk the first time, with no action against the clerk (except to ask him to stop shouting at them). The second time, Rachal was clearly enjoying a heaping helping of beat-down, and then decided to get rowdy with the cops. That is a separate offense, and dealt with separately. You can argue that "resisting" is too strong a description, but cops don't generally like people screaming at them and slamming their chests into them. Some find that a bit aggressive.

ETA: Correction to above: I just chased down the full surveillance video, and Rachal had the drunk pinned face-down, and was not continuing the beating. Police arrived and went straight after Rachal, and did in fact shove him around and restrain him immediately. Rachal did not chest-bump at all.

 

[Warp12]

A black hotel clerk had to call police to help eject a drunk and unruly guest who refused to leave the premises.

Half an hour later that same man returned and rushed behind the counter to assault the clerk. That clerk, Raymond Rachal, managed to get the upper hand in the unarmed skirmish and called 911 while pinning the assailant to the ground.

Cops showed up, aggressively shoved the victim of a premeditated assault around, and arrested him. The assailant was given a ride to a friend's house.




The charges against the clerk were later dropped. Surveillance cams and police bodycam show that the police claims of shoving and "resisting" were untrue.


https://wsvn.com/news/local/new-bodycam-footage-shows-chaotic-confrontation-between-hotel-employee-guest-at-a-fort-lauderdale-beach-hotel/

Although Rachal was able to get Rabe under control, based on the body camera footage, it seemed there was a scuffle with Rachal and police...
Rachal was arrested and charged with resisting an officer, while Rabe was charged with trespassing and given a ride back to a friend’s house.

Looking at the video, amazingly the sober hotel clerk seems like more of a douche than the drunken white guy. Why do we think this is a case of police racism, again?

 

[Thermal]

Looking at the video, amazingly the sober hotel clerk seems like more of a douche than the drunken white guy. Why do we think this is a case of police racism, again?

I get OP's point. Drunk white guy takes a run at the black clerk, but the black guy ends up being the one arrested while the white drunk is given a free Uber service. Looks mightily like playing favorites, there.

But Rachal was not merely defending himself against the initial drunk charge. He was well into "teaching this bitch a lesson" territory. Ya gots to knock the halo off his head somewhere in that timeline.

 

[Thermal]

This becomes an interesting critique on reporting. Since the station obviously had the surveillance footage, they could have included the cops running directly at Rachal. Instead, they took a pass on that, and showed footage that framed Rachal looking more aggressive and unhinged. This is the kind of narrative-weaving I am always railing on about.

 

[Warp12]

But Rachal was not merely defending himself against the initial drunk charge. He was well into "teaching this bitch a lesson" territory. Ya gots to knock the halo off his head somewhere in that timeline.

A more accurate thread title would be, "Piecing Up A Cracker While Black".

 

[Warp12]

I love how these threads really stretch the racism narrative thin. The opposing event/video analysis on Stormfront must be equally grand.

 

[plague311]

Was it the same cops both times? As in, should they have been aware of the previous encounter?

 

[plague311]

I love how these threads really stretch the racism narrative thin. The opposing event/video analysis on Stormfront must be equally grand.

What was incorrect about the OPs post? Even if it wasn't flat out racism, as Thermal said, it does appear they were playing a bit of favorites.

 

[Warp12]

I love how these threads really stretch the racism narrative thin. The opposing event/video analysis on Stormfront must be equally grand.

What was incorrect about the OPs post? Even if it wasn't flat out racism, as Thermal said, it does appear they were playing a bit of favorites.

With these "While Black" threads, the implication is almost always racism. That is their reason for existence, except for in a few rare cases. And on that level, this is yet another fail.

 

[Thermal]

The thin that gets me is the title: the black man, yet again, is painted as a "victim". The sniveleling, weak victim.

My balls. The hommes here looked like he was the alpha all along. Like Amaud Arbery, there is no reason to subtlety portray him as weak.

 

[bruto]

It certainly is true that the hotel clerk was not being very nice and was very agitated. But nothing in the videos I saw appears to be "non-cooperating" even if he is kind of obnoxious. Given the situation the issue of who was uncooperative is a joke.

And, of course, since the police had already been there, and already ejected the drunk, it should be pretty obvious that they knew without a doubt that the hotel clerk was where he belonged, doing what he was employed to do, and that the drunk was indeed where he did not belong and could hardly be said to be cooperating if he came back in and assaulted the clerk after having been ejected by the police (and at that event, quite visibly reluctant to comply). The video clearly and unambiguously shows that Rabe came straight in through the front and through the barrier with the explicit and obvious intent of assaulting Rachal.

It's seen by some as an overreaction, but is it? A drunken dude comes back after being thrown out by the police, and attempts to assault the clerk, believing, one presumes rightly, that he can get away with it, which he did. We go into this assuming that the clerk, a native of Ponylandistan, has no background of having been unequally or unfairly treated in the past, and therefore has no justification for his high-handed uppity desire to "teach the cracker a lesson." Maybe, just maybe, he does.

And, of course, the first thing the drunk did during his free ride out was to lie.

I'm certainly ready to admit that Rachal was not a very nice guy, and I'm not convinced that his hotel would be a very nice place to stay, but I do not see anything in the videos that justifies the subsequent behavior of the police.

Once again, it seems the apologists for this kind of thing are setting a high bar for certain people to expect equal treatment. The arrest of Rachal can be called wrong, but it's not so bad because unlike the lying, uncooperative drunken customer, he is at fault for incivility.

 

[Thermal]

Yeah, when the drunk is around the cops, he is very slow moving and docile, almost sleepy. When he charged Rachal, he was clearly not. So cops come in the second time and see the drunk they recall as slowly moping around bloodied up on the ground, with the more...let's say animated...clerk on top of him. I can see how they would assume that, however it started, Rachal was being too aggressive.

But that should have been cleared up quickly. There was a witness handy, who called police and was still there. He didn't need to be cuffed and stuffed so summarily.

 

[TurkeysGhost]

The thin that gets me is the title: the black man, yet again, is painted as a "victim". The sniveleling, weak victim.

My balls. The hommes here looked like he was the alpha all along. Like Amaud Arbery, there is no reason to subtlety portray him as weak.

He's not painted as anything. He was victimized twice, once by a drunk that took a swing at him, again when the cops falsely arrested him.

Unless you mean "victim" as more of a vibes or mindset kinda thing. I think you're brining a lot of unnecessary baggage to the term yourself. You don't have to weak to be a victim.

 

[Warp12]

It's seen by some as an overreaction, but is it?

In some neighborhoods, no.

 

[plague311]

The thin that gets me is the title: the black man, yet again, is painted as a "victim". The sniveleling, weak victim.

My balls. The hommes here looked like he was the alpha all along. Like Amaud Arbery, there is no reason to subtlety portray him as weak.

He's not painted as anything. He was victimized twice, once by a drunk that took a swing at him, again when the cops falsely arrested him.

Unless you mean "victim" as more of a vibes or mindset kinda thing. I think you're brining a lot of unnecessary baggage to the term yourself. You don't have to weak to be a victim.

That's what I'm assuming he means. You can be a victim and still be in control of a situation as well. Gas station clerks that get robbed and end up shooting the person, or taking their gun and making them surrender. They're definitely in control of the situation but they're still victims of a crime.

The clerk was in control but he was still mistreated by police. I don't think many people here will deny that. Maybe 1 or two, but I'd say it's pretty clear.

 

[Thermal]

He's not painted as anything. He was victimized twice, once by a drunk that took a swing at him, again when the cops falsely arrested him.

Unless you mean "victim" as more of a vibes or mindset kinda thing.

Yeah, the vibe is what irks me. Like, id a car blows a stop sign while I am in the crosswalk, i might be afraid of injury, or just calmly do what I have to to not get hit and be on my way without a second thought. I'm not a victim of anything in the latter case, and would be a little insulted by someone suggesting I was.

Maybe it is the connotation of a victim being passively violated, whether or not the term 'victim' is technically appropriate.

In this story though, the cops did jump the gun. Rachal didn't need to be bent over within seconds of police arrival. Separated and calmed down, sure, but not straight to restraint.

 

[Warp12]

Nobody is better at identifying a black "victim" and taking up their cause than a properly motivated white person, that's for sure.

 

[bruto]

In some neighborhoods, no.

Indeed,, and this might well be one of those neighborhoods.

The video is not entirely clear and informative, but if you look at the first video, in which the police are initially called, it seems fairly clear that they are listening to the drunk and his story more than that of the clerk who called them. Some here have suggested that his behavior is inappropriate here, but is it? He called the cops to have a drunken customer ejected, but who are they listening to and what are they doing? If he has to repeat "no, no, get him out of here," maybe it's because they are (quite possibly unaware and not explicitly) discounting his initial report. They appear, at least, to be asking for the drunk's version of events, and ignoring his.

In other situations, Florida is a "stand your ground" state, in which it would, in theory, have been legally permissible for the clerk to shoot the abusive customer if he thought he was in danger of assault, and in the second video, the evidence would be entirely clear that he more than just thought it.

Any bets how that would have turned out?

 

[Thermal]

Indeed,, and this might well be one of those neighborhoods.

The video is not entirely clear and informative, but if you look at the first video, in which the police are initially called, it seems fairly clear that they are listening to the drunk and his story more than that of the clerk who called them. Some here have suggested that his behavior is inappropriate here, but is it? He called the cops to have a drunken customer ejected, but who are they listening to and what are they doing? If he has to repeat "no, no, get him out of here," maybe it's because they are (quite possibly unaware and not explicitly) discounting his initial report. They appear, at least, to be asking for the drunk's version of events, and ignoring his.

In other situations, Florida is a "stand your ground" state, in which it would, in theory, have been legally permissible for the clerk to shoot the abusive customer if he thought he was in danger of assault, and in the second video, the evidence would be entirely clear that he more than just thought it.

Any bets how that would have turned out?