Merged BBC WTC7 Programme

[nicepants]

Could Dylan have made himself look any more like a spoiled petulant child?

ETA: He's an "angry little boy."

Note to Dylan from Willy Wonka:

"You should open your mouth a little wider when you speak"

 

[cludgie]

and usually a STRAIGHT to DVD type of film, like Wargames 2 (Wargames: The Dead Code) and Starship Troopers 3 (yes, these movies exist)

Well LCFC didn't quite get the cinema release it promised before going straight to DVD.

 

[johnny karate]

I think this show bent over backwards to accommodate the CTer point of view, so I'm not sure how it could be labeled a "hit piece". I was actually getting a little annoyed during the first twenty or so minutes with all the times the narrator made mention of WTC7 collapsing due solely to fire.

What I found most compelling were the statements made by Frank Papalia of the FDNY. I'm going to get a transcript and quote him every time someone like RedIbis wants to claim that the rank and file firefighters didn't really know what was going on.

 

[johnny karate]

Well LCFC didn't quite get the cinema release it promised before going straight to DVD.

And even that is a bit of an overstatement because it seems to imply that it at least had a distribution company behind it. Which I guess it did, if you consider a couple of college dropouts in a basement with a DVD burner a "distribution company".

 

[mrbaracuda]

Frank Papalia

Is that the photographer?

 

[Par]

It’s more of a humorous point than anything, but there was a bit of a goof during the reconstruction of Jennings’ testimony. It shows him answering an OEM office desk phone and being asked “where are you”? I imagine, in reality, he was called on his cell phone.

 

[Tbone]

and usually a STRAIGHT to DVD type of film, like Wargames 2 (Wargames: The Dead Code) and Starship Troopers 3 (yes, these movies exist)

There's a THREE now?

 

[Slayhamlet]

It’s more of a humorous point than anything, but there was a bit of a goof during the reconstruction of Jennings’ testimony. It shows him answering an OEM office desk phone and being asked “where are you”? I imagine, in reality, he was called on his cell phone.

I noticed that, too, and thought it was a little odd.

 

[novice skeptic]

Leslie Nielson would be a shoe-in for the part of either Bush or Dick Cheney.

I was thinking he'd be Steven Jones.

 

[Galileo]

The Jowenko video is an exercise in how not to get an expert opinion. Rather than provide him with the materials for his own study, he is guided along to a conclusion. I don't see why so much stock is put into his off-the-cuff reaction to this exercise.

wrongola.

The interview with Jowenko does not bring politics into science, until after he has analyzed the evidence.

The government people studying WTC 7 should not be told it was part of the WTC and the date that it fell, to remain impartial.

 

[Jonnyclueless]

There was a sequel to wargames?

 

[~enigma~]

wrongola.

The interview with Jowenko does not bring politics into science, until after he has analyzed the evidence.

The government people studying WTC 7 should not be told it was part of the WTC and the date that it fell, to remain impartial.

And how pray tell would you do that 7 years after the fact? Is crying all the idiotic truthers have left?

 

[MikeW]

There was a sequel to wargames?

Of sorts. But don't waste your time with it, especially if you liked the original - this one is rubbish by comparison.

 

[~enigma~]

Of sorts. But don't waste your time with it, especially if you liked the original - this one is rubbish by comparison.

The Guyver was better.

 

[lapman]

Oh joy, now Alex "Research? what's that?" Jones has decided to "debunk" the show.

There are BIG mistakes everywhere in this story. Probably the biggest mistake
is the way the documentary argued that the NYFD firefighters could not fight the fires in
the burning WTC 7 because the collapse of the Twin Towers damaged water lines,
and the documentary even stated that THERE WAS NO WATER to put out the WTC 7
fires!!!

But then they argued that Larry Silverstein’s comment: ‘ They decided to pull it ‘ was
referring to ‘pulling out firefighting operations’…. but there were no firefighting operations
going on in WTC 7, because they previously said that THERE WAS NO WATER !!!
Even the firefighters said that they were not allowed to enter WTC 7 …

They cannot have it both ways… was there a firefighting operation in WTC 7, or not,
because they said there was no water, since the water lines were supposedly damaged

 

[johnny karate]

Is that the photographer?

No, the photographer was named Scala(?), I think. Papalia was the FDNY lieutenant who described in great detail the extent of the damage and fires he witnessed, and then went on to explain how he was not at all surprised when WTC7 finally did collapse. And perhaps most damning of all to any conspiracy theory: He unequivocally states he heard absolutely nothing resembling detonation charges.

 

[johnny karate]

Oh joy, now Alex "Research? what's that?" Jones has decided to "debunk" the show.

Well, since they used testimony from members of the FDNY to back these claims, I guess Alex Jones must think the FDNY was complicit. I wonder if he has the stones to admit as much.

 

[johnny karate]

The interview with Jowenko does not bring politics into science, until after he has analyzed the evidence.

Sort of true, I suppose, since there wasn't any science on display in Jowenko's analysis.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

At the end of the show, Lieutenant Frank Papalia said

"I think they have no respect for all the friends of mine that I lost, for all the people that died that day, it's like a slap in their face."

However, I don't believe any firemen were lost in WTC 7, so this quote seems to be cherry-picked in order to cast aspersions on WTC7 conspiracy claimants. (To be sure, all of these will be 911 Conspiracy claimants, but the show's focus is about WTC 7.) I don't think that's showing respect for Lieutenant Papalia, even if he feels that way, personally. Besides the cherry-picking aspect, I can't help wonder about the placement of this segment at the very end of the show. Is that because this is what we are supposed to remember, above all else? Is this simply a propaganda ploy?

Funny how you had all that to say about Lt. Papalias feelings towards twoofers yet absolutely nothing to say about his description of the massive inferno raging inside WTC7 of the severe physical damage from the debris impacts.

There's an old saying in the legal profession, "If the facts are on your side, pound them on the facts. If they aren't, pound the table."

 

[Arus808]

There's a THREE now?

Yup; and they are available in a box set for Blu Ray
Starship Troopers Trilogy