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Merged BBC WTC7 Programme

~enigma~ said:
The Guyver was better.
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Last derail about movies to DVD.

Guyver 2 was much better. Then again Im biased. I know the director of both movies and have touched the actual Guyver suit used in both movies. Guyver 2 allowed him to do what he wanted to do, which he couldn't do with the first one.
 
Lt. Frank Papalia said:
I think they have no respect for all the friends of mine that I lost, for all the people that died that day, it's like a slap in their face.
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metamars needs to carefully read this statement again. I've bolded the parts to which he should pay particular attention.
 
lapman said:
Oh joy, now Alex "Research? what's that?" Jones has decided to "debunk" the show.
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So now they think firefighters only fire fires, not search and rescue operations? Plus they are accusing FDNY lying now since the testimonies say otherwise.
 
MarkyX said:
So now they think firefighters only fire fires, not search and rescue operations? Plus they are accusing FDNY lying now since the testimonies say otherwise.
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No, I think they are trying to say that firefighting only means fighting fires and the BBC is contridicting itself. Just a bunch of nit picking.
 
MarkyX said:
So now they think firefighters only fire fires, not search and rescue operations? Plus they are accusing FDNY lying now since the testimonies say otherwise.
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This isn't the first time AJ has blamed the FDNY:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html

From the link: "World Trade Center Imploded by Silverstein, FDNY And Others"

"Update: People Died in WTC 7: This Makes Silverstein and the FDNY Guilty of AT LEAST Manslaughter"
 
johnny karate said:
Sort of true, I suppose, since there wasn't any science on display in Jowenko's analysis.
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What was notable about the Jowenko interview was the way his jaw dropped when he was told that WTC7 collapsed on 9-11. Did you see his response? "It can't be!" That doesn't sound like someone who's particularly sure that what he's proposing is feasible.

Dave
 
Dave Rogers said:
What was notable about the Jowenko interview was the way his jaw dropped when he was told that WTC7 collapsed on 9-11. Did you see his response? "It can't be!" That doesn't sound like someone who's particularly sure that what he's proposing is feasible.
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True. But he says “they must have worked fast”, or something along those lines. I took that to mean he assumed it was rigged and demolished on the eleventh, for legitimate reasons. But (some of) the truthers are claiming it was rigged beforehand – such as in the nineteen-eighties, or some silly old thing. Thus, they perceive his surprise to work in their favour.

I hope that’s clear.
 
Par said:
True. But he says “they must have worked fast”, or something along those lines. I took that to mean he assumed it was rigged and demolished on the eleventh, for legitimate reasons.
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From his expression and demeanour, that comment looked like an expression of semi-disbelief still. He looked like he didn't know what to believe because what he was seeing didn't tally with what he knew was possible. I think he was just too confused and surprised to formulate any hypothesis at all.

Par said:
But (some of) the truthers are claiming it was rigged beforehand – such as in the nineteen-eighties, or some silly old thing. Thus, they perceive his surprise to work in their favour.
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Then again, they'd perceive his response to work in their favour whatever it was.

Dave
 
There is, unsurprisingly, a thread on the program on the Guardian Unlimited boards - The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower, the OP of which contains the following:
Zionist producer, research, narrator. Elements within the BBC should be prosecuted for aiding and abetting mass murder for agreeing to broadcast that obscenity
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which makes some of the comments here look rather tame :)

Mind you, this board is semi-moderated. It takes a lot (or sometimes very little) to get warned/banned from the GU boards. As can be seen from their current 911 thread - Was 9/11 an inside job? - where the standard debate seems to go:
  1. Truther: some old debunked argument
  2. Debunker: Evidence that shows up argument as drivel
  3. Truther: violent personal abuse

It's also badly formatted and difficult to read due to truthers being unable to use TinyURL; sorry about that.

It strikes me that this post may be a bit of a derail. Sorry, mods. Split it off if you want.
 
metamars said:
At the end of the show, Lieutenant Frank Papalia said

"I think they have no respect for all the friends of mine that I lost, for all the people that died that day, it's like a slap in their face."

However, I don't believe any firemen were lost in WTC 7, so this quote seems to be cherry-picked
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This doesn't follow.

I think Papalia's response was surprisingly measured. The FDNY has just been repeatedly accused of complicity in a cover up, if not outright being involved in a controlled demolition and then falsely portraying the resulting collapse as being caused by a terrorist attack. This same terrorist attack claimed the lives of many members of the FDNY and others. To pretend they would cover up this aspect of the incident after the death of so many of their own, just so your inane, unsubstantiated beliefs have any reasonable chance of looking as if they could possibly work in the real world, dishonours the living and demeans the dead. It portrays those who were heroes - if that word is to mean anything - as the worst kind of unthinking, uncaring, collaborationist monsters.

On top of that is the sheer disgust any reasonable and informed person would feel when confronted with such ridiculous fictions. Hiding what happened that day through a veil of unmitigated fantasy trivialises how and why those people died. To sit down and wail that fabricating nonsense about the incident is not showing disrespect because no one died in the contingent collapse of WTC 7 rings somewhat hollow.
 
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Galileo said:
The government people studying WTC 7 should not be told it was part of the WTC and the date that it fell, to remain impartial.
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Oh, for...

How in the world could they attempt to reconstruct the collapse of a building and determine the reason for the collapse without knowing the details of the building?
 
mrbaracuda said:
You can watch what he says in the 20th minute. :)
They show a bit of "9/11 Mysteries" as an introduction, then the interview part with Silverstein and Gage comes on afterwards: "I ask, every viewer, to come to their own conclusion, about the language Larry's using and the emphasis [Silverstein interview part]. My personal response to his comment is that he was, uh, involved in a decision to, to uh, bring the building down - but, uh, who knows, what he was thinking or saying. This is just speculation."

The documentary talks about the leasing and insurance, Gage comes back on: "And you don't say 'We made the decision to pull it', which refers to something. You wouldn't say that about a group of fire (sic). You would say 'we made a decision to pull them out of the building'"

I think that's all from him, so yea, he does say that again later on.
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That seqment of the show is now on YouTube.

 
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