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Automatic Drawing

Can I suggest we don't waste too much more time on Lance. He clearly doesn't understand the situation, clearly doesn't understand the Challenge, and clearly doesn't understand what "paranormal" means. In fact, I'd suggest he clearly doesn't even know what day it is most of the time.
 
Why are you a chief at so many different places, just stick with one restaurant already! Somehow I'm beginning to doubt you're really Lance Katcher though.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I believe this claim as much as I believe the claim that you filled in an application and never got any response before yesterday.

I'm pretty sure there is no such diagnosis as "automatic drawing" in the DSM-IV.

Visiting three psychiatrists must be expensive. I'm curious, is the diagnosis "automatic drawing" covered by your insurance?
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Hi Joe I just received confirmation from FedEx the application was delivered to the foundation on may 9th signed by L Shallenberger. I heard back from Allison it might have been misplaced
 
Lance, so far you haven't claimed to have any paranormal powers. Bilateral automatic drawing is not paranormal. It is well-known to psychiatrists (as you found out).

Ask yourself how drawings created by spirits might differ from automatic drawings created by a human being. The only sure difference I can think of is that spirits known things you and I do not, so the logical question is whether you can get the spirits to draw something you have no knowledge of.
 
Hi ChristeineR ,well its not the power, it is the ability to communicate ,the art is something they love to do. I watch them draw using my hands and we talk and laugh all the time even when I am not drawing.
(Please reread my original post) This simple test to fill in a shape with without going outside the lines blindlfolded is a way to prove they exist, and I do have allot of information they want humans to know
 
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Okay then, the paranormal claim is that you can find a shape on a paper while blindfolded. You will mark the the shape with a pen.

You can try this yourself. Print out a bunch of sheets of 8 by 11 paper with circles on them. I suggest 3 rows of 2 circles each for the basic pattern, but each paper will have only one circle in one of the six positions.

Blindfold yourself, then have a friend roll a die and pick one of the six positions. He will put this in front of you and you will draw in the circle.

It is important that your friend use a die, and not just pick a paper at random.

It is important that your blindfold be peek proof. This is a lot harder to do than it seems, but you're a smart guy, you should be able to set it up.

Lance, if you do try this test, and you fail, I think you should tell your psychiatrist about it. Better yet, ask your psychiatrist if he will set the test up. If you fail the test, you will want to discuss why.
 
I find a tightly tied blindfold can be uncomfortable. This may sound silly but it could work for a peek-proof blinfold that doesn't press against your eyes too much:

Buy two "Pirate" eyepatches. They shouldn't be too hard to find at party shops or toy stores right now due to the pirate movie coming out.

Get a thick, dark collored cloth. Any material that is not see-through is fine.

Put the patches over your eyes and then tie the cloth over them as tightly as posible. The patches should shield your eyes and add an exta layer of certainty.
 
Lance Katcher said:
Hi ChristeineR ,well its not the power, it is the ability to communicate ,the art is something they love to do. I watch them draw using my hands and we talk and laugh all the time even when I am not drawing.
(Please reread my original post) This simple test to fill in a shape with without going outside the lines blindlfolded is a way to prove they exist, and I do have allot of information they want humans to know
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I'd go along with that as a preliminary challenge test. But blindfolds are notoriously easy to see out of (like down the nose). I suggest putting the paper and drawing hand in some sort of box and/or wearing a hood. If your spirits need light, it would have to be an illuminated box. Make sure the lines are nothing you can detect tangibly. Also, the shape lines should be more complex than simple squares and circles (like maybe a coloring book). And obviously, you shouldn't get to see the outlines at all before the test. (Someone puts a page in the box, then you are brought in with hood on, and your hand goes into the box with your crayon or whatever, and see if you can fill in the shapes.)

Also, you'd need someone else to judge whether you completely filled in the shape without going outside the lines. In other words, staying way inside the lines doesn't count either.

Lance, have you ever done a test like this yourself? (You'd be surprised how many people are so certain their delusions are real that they've never even tested them for themselves.) If you do it yourself, it's up to you not to cheat. By cheating, you'd only be further deluding yourself.
 
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Hi skeptics, I asked them the other day when we came up with the idea he, she, it ,they said they will do it. They do love to play games, but do hate to do parlor tricks ,and yes I have tried it, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but assure me they will do it for the test.
 
Lance Katcher said:
play games/parlor tricks sometimes they do/sometimes they don't
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Look Lance, why don't you go help edge with his dowsing, eh? Maybe the combo of your spirits and his magic stick will produce enough gold to buy you both a nice bucket of fried chicken.
 
The hand in a box method might be easier than a blindfold.

I have been thinking about this, and another way to do it might be to get a paper with lines dividing it into sections. One section is marked with a pencil as the target section. A win is if the lines all fall into one section. Any drawing outside of the target section is a miss.

The pieces of paper could be very large, and since you can easily feel the paper you should be able to restrict the drawing to a single area. This will minimize the chance of the pen slipping into a different section, which you must count as a miss even though almost all the lines are in the right section.
 
Lance Katcher said:
Hi skeptics, I asked them the other day when we came up with the idea he, she, it ,they said they will do it. They do love to play games, but do hate to do parlor tricks ,and yes I have tried it, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but assure me they will do it for the test.
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What specifically is your claim, Lance? To determine how to specify your claim in acceptable terms I refer you to the Challenge Application, point #1.

How do you intend to prove it? This means excluding all other possible explanations in your demonstration.

What would you call a successful demonstration of your ability, what would you call a failure?



If you indeed have sent an application as you said about a month ago, were you aware of the required new qualifications for a would-be applicant? (Please scroll down to point #12.)
 
Lance Katcher said:
yes I have tried it, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but assure me they will do it for the test.
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How do you find out that they "don't do it"? Do they tell you---"Hi Lance! We're not cooperating today"---or do you look at the paper, discover that you went outside the lines, and conclude "I guess the spirits weren't cooperating!".

If it's the latter, how will Randi be able to tell the difference between you (even if your claim is true) and a cheater (who colors randomly, but looks at the results and says "... oh, the spirits were being mischievous" as an excuse for his mistakes.)?
 
Lance Katcher said:
Hi skeptics, I asked them the other day when we came up with the idea he, she, it ,they said they will do it. They do love to play games, but do hate to do parlor tricks ,and yes I have tried it, sometimes they do, sometimes they don't, but assure me they will do it for the test.
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Lance, don't take this the wrong way, but you really sound like someone who needs professional help. My friend, you're in the wrong place, talking to the wrong people.

I strongly suggest you go see a psychiatrist and tell him/her what you've been telling us, that you talk to spirits whom you believe are inhabiting your body. Tell the shrink that the spirits are doing the drawing, not you.

This is very important. Seek help.
 
James Randi update Automatic Drawing

Hi Skeptics just an update from Mr Randi

From: "James Randi" <randi@randi.org> Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
To: "'Lance Katcher'" <lancekatcher@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: automatic Drawing
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2007 21:42:56 -0400


As soon as I can find someone in your area to test you, I’ll let you know.

James Randi.

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From: Lance Katcher [mailto:lancekatcher@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2007 4:13 PM
To: James Randi
Subject: RE: automatic Drawing

Hi Mr. Randi so what is our next step
Lance

James Randi <randi@randi.org> wrote:
We’re aware of that. It somehow got lost, for which you have our apologies.

James Randi

Agreed !!!! just to let you know the application was delivered on may 9th signed by
L Shallnberger and don't plan on going home to soon
Lance

James Randi <randi@randi.org> wrote:
Okay, let’s save ourselves a lot of trouble and time. We’ll find a representative in the area who will test you to fill in a drawing. That should take about a half-hour, you’ll fail, and we can all go home.

Agreed?

James Randi.
 
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