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[lionking]

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https://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=359041

Posted By: jimbob

I’ve been watching the Ben Roberts-Smith Federal Court appeal. No bombshells from his lawyer (which I think are required for Judge Besanko’s ruling to be overturned. All he seems to have is that witnesses lied. A long time was spent trying to show anomalies in the when and where witnesses were when the non-combatants were executed, which seems to be straw clutching. The lawyer, for some reason, was banging on about there being only one or two witnesses to the murders.

But many rulings in Australia have been inexplicably overturned due to arcane interpretations of the law so I’m not going to make a call.

 

[lionking]

Dupe

 

[arthwollipot]

In case you've missed all of the schadenfreudeliciousness of the show Nemesis, here's a pretty good summary:

Morrison manoeuvres, Abbott aggro, Trump tantrum: Turnbull’s time in office laid bare in ABC show

Then-treasurer could say ‘utterly untrue’ things, ousted predecessor promised to be ‘very difficult’, and a bruising call with ‘bullying’ US president

 

[lionking]

Back to the Robert-Smith case. His lawyer told the court that even if BRS planted a radio on an Afghani after he shot and killed him, as was witnessed, it was still a lawful killing as the Afghani was a potential risk.

These judges will not buy such poor logic.

 

[lionking]

Barnaby Joyce pissed, lying on the ground in Canberra.

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fed...lying-on-canberra-street-20240209-p5f3r0.html

Former Former deputy prime minister Barnaby Joyce says he was talking to his wife Vikki Campion before he fell off a planter box, and was swearing because he hurt himself, after he was caught on video lying on his back on a footpath late at night mumbling obscenities on his phone.

He continues to disgrace himself, his office and his party, but nobody in the Coalition will talk to him about parliamentary standards or even just decent behaviour. He is untouchable and he knows it, but he is a pimple on the arse of the Coalition and will continue to behave as the yoick he is.

He almost makes Dutton look dignified and reasonable.

 

[lionking]

Dupe. Bloody slow forum.

 

[arthwollipot]

Just saying, when Hawkie won a world record for downing a yard, everybody cheered.

Drinking to excess is only cool when it's someone we like.

 

[rjh01]

Just saying, when Hawkie won a world record for downing a yard, everybody cheered.

Drinking to excess is only cool when it's someone we like.

That was before he became PM. Or even MP. I cannot recall seeing any TV showing him drunk. Did he even drink as PM?

 

[lionking]

Just saying, when Hawkie won a world record for downing a yard, everybody cheered.

Drinking to excess is only cool when it's someone we like.

Um, I don’t think RJH passed out drunk on the street. And he also completed a Rhodes Scholarship while downing that yard, where Joyce wouldn’t have completed primary school without calling in favours. Plus Hawke’s achievements are monumental, whereas Joyce is lucky if he can find his way home.

Apart from that the comparison between Hawke and Joyce is spot on.

 

[lionking]

What has happened to smilies? I meant to post one at the end of my last post.

 

[lionking]

Also, of course, Hawke swore off drinking for his entire parliamentary term. He was a student when he drank that yard.

Look, I get your point wolli, but referencing Joyce in the same sentance as Hawke is way beyond the pale.

 

[lionking]

Dupe

 

[arthwollipot]

That was before he became PM. Or even MP. I cannot recall seeing any TV showing him drunk. Did he even drink as PM?

I dunno, it's possible that he might not have been drinking at the America's Cup victory, but it sure didn't look like it.

 

[arthwollipot]

What has happened to smilies? I meant to post one at the end of my last post.

I can see them.

Also, of course, Hawke swore off drinking for his entire parliamentary term. He was a student when he drank that yard.

Look, I get your point wolli, but referencing Joyce in the same sentance as Hawke is way beyond the pale.

I agree, it's not even really in the same category.

Incidentally, some wag drew a chalk outline... though I think they may also have been drunk.

 

[arthwollipot]

I love Canberra.

They gave him a plaque!

It probably won't last for long.

 

[arthwollipot]

Duplicate

 

[novaphile]

I'm not impressed with those who are saying:

"They should have gone to his aid, not filmed him! What has the world come to?"

Given his reputation for aggression and violence, am not in the slightest bit surprised that no one went to his aid. No sensible person goes to the aid of an angry drunk that is swearing and cursing while lying on the ground.

 

[lionking]

I'm not impressed with those who are saying:

"They should have gone to his aid, not filmed him! What has the world come to?"

Given his reputation for aggression and violence, am not in the slightest bit surprised that no one went to his aid. No sensible person goes to the aid of an angry drunk that is swearing and cursing while lying on the ground.

There have other cases in Australia when a bystander has gone to someone’s aid, inadvertently made things worse and then been sued for large amounts of money. Unless you are medically qualified, do not get involved.

 

[rjh01]

There have other cases in Australia when a bystander has gone to someone’s aid, inadvertently made things worse and then been sued for large amounts of money. Unless you are medically qualified, do not get involved.

You are highly unlikely to be successfully sued if you are a good Samaritan.

Ref: https://lawpartners.com.au/blog/per...you-shouldnt-be-scared-to-be-a-good-samaritan

Under the Good Samaritan laws, a person who is acting in good faith in providing assistance to someone in need is protected from any personal liability in an emergency situation.

But a person swearing to someone on the phone is highly unlikely to want help. Joyce did not need any help as he got up and walked home afterwards. So the criticism aimed at the person who videoed him is not justified.

 

[arthwollipot]

Why people still vote for this bloke is a mystery to me. He is such a train wreck of a human being.

Barnaby Joyce says late night lie down 'a big mistake', blames mixing medication with alcohol

Barnaby Joyce says he "made a big mistake", blaming medication for his behaviour, after being filmed swearing into his phone while lying on his back on a Canberra street late last Wednesday night.

Footage published on Friday by the Daily Mail shows the federal MP on the ground with the phone after he said he fell off a planter box on Lonsdale Street, a busy entertainment strip in the nation's capital.

"I'm on a prescription drug and they say certain things may happen to you if you drink and they were absolutely 100 per cent right," he told Seven's Sunrise...