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Assistance request: meaning of FOTL, Sovereign Man, Moorish Law document motifs

Chaetognath said:
In this case I don't think so. This particular chap has a thing for doubled-up punctuation of many kinds. For example, he expresses his name in the 'dash colon' motif as follows:

::[firstname]-[middlename]: [lastname]::

Obviously that version will work better than the other common forms - more colons, more magic.
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I've seen a double colon used in the middle of a name (see here, as reported by the Lowering the Bar blog) but not at the ends of the name like that.

Looking at some of this stuff, I sometimes wonder if the whole thing might have been dreamed up by Professor Stanley Unwin.
 
Unwinese actually has more logic to it.

Honstibode! It's enough to drive you insanimate.
 
Chaetognath said:
Thanks for the Postmaster General suggestions. I have this mental synthesis, which is probably far too logical for these people, that runs like this:

1. if I correspond using the usual postal service procedures, that will mean I have entered into a contract with the state/court/somebody;

2. postmaster generals run the postal system as a common-law authority independent of the state;

3. if I am not only the author but the postmaster general for this document being delivered then I have not entered into a contract with the postal service that delivered the document; and

4. I'm still sovereign/freeman/etc.​

The author of the document in question was clearly aware of (or mimicking in a ritualistic manner) persons who think that use of a postal code means entering into a contract with the state, as he surrounded his postal code with square brackets.

Any other thoughts on this one are very welcome!

Chaetognath
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Would help explain the ""WITHOUT PREJUDICE"" bit. He wants to mail the parcel without entering into any binding legal entanglements. :rolleyes:
 
Chaetognath said:
No. But I am pretty certain I have some in the files under review that have adopted a magic coloured paper approach. However, I think they came from Texas. So far I have not seen any Canadian examples of the robin's egg blue paper motif.
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I have some Canadian examples of the robin's egg blue paper motif (complete with the red-ink thumbprint covered with clear tape, etc.).

I can't remember off the top of my head which thread it is in which I posted about those, and I haven't heard anything much from "my" FOTL'ers recently (they tend to end up in jail, after all) but these ones seemed to hit every single 'magical' FOTL bit of nonsense there is. If you would like some Canadian examples of the robin's egg blue paper thing for your review and analysis, let me know and I'll get some to you. :)
 
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Mojo said:
I've seen a double colon used in the middle of a name (see here, as reported by the Lowering the Bar blog) but not at the ends of the name like that.
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Thank you for the link, Mojo - that is a lovely example of David-Wynn: Miller! I may have to work that into a presentation. Documents like that convey so much via structure alone - nevermind content.

I sometimes think more than I likely should about the FOTL-ish folk and their world, and I can imagine a hue and cry - More Colons! We need more colons! The courts ignore us, the police pursue us, so - more colons!

And there is such an elegant symbolism to that. I think of the biological function of the colon, what it contains, and ... it seems so appropriate that these specific persons would identity themselves, set themselves apart ... with colons. Filling their names with colons, surrounding themselves with colons.

More colons! MORE colons!

This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but many, many more colons...

Ahem. It has been a long day.

Chaetognath
 
Chaetognath said:
I sometimes think more than I likely should about the FOTL-ish folk and their world, and I can imagine a hue and cry - More Colons! We need more colons! The courts ignore us, the police pursue us, so - more colons!

And there is such an elegant symbolism to that. I think of the biological function of the colon, what it contains, and ... it seems so appropriate that these specific persons would identity themselves, set themselves apart ... with colons. Filling their names with colons, surrounding themselves with colons.

More colons! MORE colons!

This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but many, many more colons...
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With all due apologies to t.s. eliot, that was delightfully funny, that. :D
 
Chaetognath said:
Thank you for the link, Mojo - that is a lovely example of David-Wynn: Miller! I may have to work that into a presentation. Documents like that convey so much via structure alone - nevermind content.

I sometimes think more than I likely should about the FOTL-ish folk and their world, and I can imagine a hue and cry - More Colons! We need more colons! The courts ignore us, the police pursue us, so - more colons!

And there is such an elegant symbolism to that. I think of the biological function of the colon, what it contains, and ... it seems so appropriate that these specific persons would identity themselves, set themselves apart ... with colons. Filling their names with colons, surrounding themselves with colons.

More colons! MORE colons!

This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, but many, many more colons...

Ahem. It has been a long day.

Chaetognath
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I wouldn't bother starting a thread about it. It would just wind up merged with All Things Uranus.
 
Ok - here's the next one.

I am used to FOTLish persons being very concerned that their actions inadvertently cause a contract to form between themselves, and the state or private individuals. This is the old 'if I give the cop my driver's license that is a contract between the two of us' obsession.

However, this person seems to think that an innocent action, such as receipt of an email:

... are an attempt at enticing into Slavery/SLAVERY as mentioned in Title 18; United States Code ...​

I recognize that's the US Federal criminal code. But I have never seen this 'enticement into slavery' language before. My brief online research did not turn up this motif. Does any one recognize it?

Chaetognath
 
It appears to be part of their fascination with the legal system being part of "admiralty law" or some other nonsense.

The relevant code section is here, but the part that likely has your guy in a tizzy is this one:

"(2) entices, persuades, or induces any other person to go on board any vessel or to any other place with the intent that he or she may be made or held as a slave, or sent out of the country to be so made or held"

I'm guessing here that your email communication is being seen as an inducement to go to court so that the puir wee bairn can be made into a slave in the vessel that is "admiralty court". I can't say for certain, as I haven't had nearly enough beer for that to make any kind of rational sense.
 
Border Reiver said:
...I can't say for certain, as I haven't had nearly enough beer for that to make any kind of rational sense.
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Don't pay your bills, don't tax or insure your car, smoke weed all day.
Then FOTL-Waffle will all make perfect sense and sound very believable.
 
Border Reiver said:
It appears to be part of their fascination with the legal system being part of "admiralty law" or some other nonsense.

The relevant code section is here, but the part that likely has your guy in a tizzy is this one:

"(2) entices, persuades, or induces any other person to go on board any vessel or to any other place with the intent that he or she may be made or held as a slave, or sent out of the country to be so made or held"

I'm guessing here that your email communication is being seen as an inducement to go to court so that the puir wee bairn can be made into a slave in the vessel that is "admiralty court". I can't say for certain, as I haven't had nearly enough beer for that to make any kind of rational sense.
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Thanks Border Reiver! I did not examine the relevant provision, and I do believe you are correct! No doubt the concept behind this is that the "court is a ship", and an invitation onto the 'court ship' would make one a slave and subject to admiralty law, if you acceded to that request.

I experience a certain existential despair every time I realize I actually understand what these twits are trying to do...

Chaetognath
 
Another question.

I am very interested in identifying the specific guru who is flogging some material I have under review. It's a not atypical sovereign man 'split myself into two' strategy, with UCC filings. I have located an exact duplicate of the documents online - exact same formatting, exact same contents - aside from some minor changes to 'Canadianize' the material. That duplicate is located here:

Somebody is selling this. Does anyone know who that might be?

I have found numerous variations on these materials, which leads me to suspect this thing has been cannibalized by other FOTLish gurus and their flock. One 'derivative' is reported in Szoo’ v. RCMP, 2011 BCSC 696. There are a couple amusing Moorish Law versions here:


Those Moors always cheer me up with their particular variations on these inanities.

Thanks once again for all your help!

Chaetognath
 
So, wouldn't that make jury duty a modern form of press-gangs?

And the e-mail thing sounds a bit like a modern version of the King's Shilling...

There are reports that the "King's shilling" was hidden in the bottom of a pewter tankard (having drunk his pint, the unfortunate drinker found that he had unwittingly accepted the King's offer), and that this gave rise to glass-bottomed tankards. This may be a myth.
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Chaetognath said:
...I am very interested in identifying the specific guru who is flogging some material I have under review. It's a not atypical sovereign man 'split myself into two' strategy, with UCC filings. I have located an exact duplicate of the documents online - exact same formatting, exact same contents - aside from some minor changes to 'Canadianize' the material. That duplicate is located here:

Somebody is selling this. Does anyone know who that might be?
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The template for that document could have been written by any Freeman/Sov conman.
(The three billion U.S. Silver Dollars part made me chortle.)

This is how they do things:

A guru will see dollar signs and, or, an ego boost and will copy and promote an already out there fake idea to pass to his minions. Sometimes for financial profit.

A mark will "research", (or "do his due dilligence" as they like to say"), and encounter sites full of utter BS. They will sit at their computer fighting TPTB.

Both will copy the templates, alter them, offer them, sell them, promote them.

The fact that the document is totally made-up nonsense is irelevant.

It's a copy-paste scam.

Whilst we can guess at who originated Menard's copied ideas, we can never be totally sure because this myth/scam has been being passed around since the '70s.
 
ComfySlippers said:
The template for that document could have been written by any Freeman/Sov conman. ...

This is how they do things:

...

It's a copy-paste scam.

Whilst we can guess at who originated Menard's copied ideas, we can never be totally sure because this myth/scam has been being passed around since the '70s.
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Thank you ComfySlippers, and I hope I do not seem a bit obstinate on this. I have reviewed many documents of this general kind, and I would certainly agree that most are assemblages tossed together in a 'copy-paste' manner.

This one is different. I have never encountered a collection of materials which are this well and consistently formatted. It's gibberish, but very professionally drafted gibberish. I could, of course, be wrong, but I don't think this was merely a casual product of idle hands. I absolutely agree that these materials were derived from earlier, less complex precursors, but I very strongly suspect that the version I have identified was or is promoted by someone.

And to be specific, I am not asking whether anyone can provide a complete phylogeny of this beastie - I'm instead curious if someone has encountered this very same version, and happens to know its source.

Chaetognath
 
Here's my next one. In a package of fairly conventional FOTLish documents I have encountered something new. It is an impressive looking certificate called a "Live Borne Record" from the "one heaven Great Register".

By the Power and Authority vested in Us by the Divine Creator against all other lesser claims of right, in accord with Article 42 of Pactum De Singularis Caelum, We hereby certify as a First True and Original Certificate of title from the highest of all The Great Register and Public Record of One Heaven, also known as the Great Book of Souls, also known as the Great Book of Life, containing the following entry and inscription of a True Person of a True Trust, being:

[Dude X]
Trust No: XXXXXX-XXXXXX-XXXXXX
Borne [cryptic non-conventional date designation] [mm/dd/year date format]

and upon the lawful gift, grant and conveyance of certain Divine Rights of Use, also known as Divine Property, also known as Divinity by the Divine Creator from a Divine Trust of the same name into the abovementioned True Trust hereby lawfully possesses immutable and irrevocable Rights over the name granted to them at birth, their flesh, their energy and labour and their mind and divine spirit with all other claimed prior rights, liens, surety, cestui que vie trusts, bonds, or other devices or instruments by an inferior trust, corporation or estate automatically null and void from the beginning.​

And that's then followed by the Great Seal of the One Heaven Supreme Court and the seal of the Registrar for Births Deaths and Liens of the One Heaven Supreme Court. As you no doubt anticipate, the "Live Borne Record" has lots of swirly trace edging and impressive font to font changes to make it look like a powerful thingie. Oh, and it's on robin's egg blue paper.

Huh. So God is issuing "One Heaven Supreme Court" birth and Book of Life certificates. Who knew. Wonder what the filing fee is.

What follows is "Deed of Trust" which, as far as I can tell, does nothing but make [Dude X] hold [Dude X] is trust for [Dude X], and subject only to "Canon Law". There are a couple of Canon law definitions in the "Deed of Trust":

Canon Law means the twenty-two (22) books of Canon law known collectively as Austrum luris Divini Canonum

Canon means a Rule of law from the highest possible law prescribed by the twenty-two (22) books of Canon law known collective as Astrum luris Divini Canonum, also known as Living Body of Divine Canon Law and the highest of all Original Law​

My deduction is this thing is intended to magically make Dude X only bound by Canon law, rather than anything else. Whatever the heck Canon law is.

So - I noticed the "Live Borne Record" and the "Deed of Trust" identify the unconventional time/date format as "UCADIA Time". And that led me to Google UCADIA. And visit a bunch of incoherent, new-age vague-ish websites. And learn that Frank O'Collins, the 'author' of UCADIA is empowered by a Satanic/Illuminati bloodline:

While individual people may be gifted with psychic abilities and other skills, there has never been, nor ever will be a bloodline as powerful in connection to divine revelation, the universe and occult as the O'Cuilleain (O’Collins).​

Thanks, Frank, for sharing that. And I found a draft copy of those 22 Books of Canon law:


If you want a giggle, look at book #2 - Natural Law, a codification of ... scientific knowledge and theory.

UCADIA is new to me. Now that I have started looking for it, I have found mention of UCADIA in some Freeman and David Icke forums.

So my take on this is that UCADIA is a codified scheme of law that a person can claim to be subject to and 'opt out' of the 'conventional' legal infrastructures. It's surrounded by its own pseudo-religious veneer to provide the impressive fanfare for what is otherwise a simple statement that "I don't choose to play by your rules."

Does anyone have any general thoughts/observations on UCADIA? Am I off track? UCADIA seems unusually cryptic (part of the new-age mystique, no doubt). And I notice that some postings on Freeman/Icke forums seem to indicate hostility/criticism between Freemen and UCADIA. What's up with that?

As always, your assistance is very much appreciated.

Chaetognath
 
Chaetognath said:
UCADIA is new to me. Now that I have started looking for it, I have found mention of UCADIA in some Freeman and David Icke forums.

So my take on this is that UCADIA is a codified scheme of law that a person can claim to be subject to and 'opt out' of the 'conventional' legal infrastructures. It's surrounded by its own pseudo-religious veneer to provide the impressive fanfare for what is otherwise a simple statement that "I don't choose to play by your rules."

Does anyone have any general thoughts/observations on UCADIA? Am I off track? UCADIA seems unusually cryptic (part of the new-age mystique, no doubt). And I notice that some postings on Freeman/Icke forums seem to indicate hostility/criticism between Freemen and UCADIA. What's up with that?

As always, your assistance is very much appreciated.

Chaetognath
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UCADIA is an odd one. It is more fantasy and less actually doing crazy stuff than run of the mill FMOTL. UCADIA also has some sort of religious back story which I think it what caused some of the conflict over on Ickes. Some others from the regular FMOTL crowd thought at Ucadia was simply too hokey for them (oh the irony). From the Ucadians I've encountered there they are generally the post-and-run types.

The "UCADIA" sites themselves are incomplete but there are a lot of them mostly just mirrors of one another. Some are misleadingly addressed, for example I came across one a while back using a domain name "arab-union" or similar. So, while Frank O'Collins may imagine himself a twenty-first century Gaius, he hasn't really put in the effort: large parts of his invented "Canons" of various sorts of law are blank and have been for years.

You may encounter some Ucadia derived word-magic at some point. O'Collins likes to make up definitions for words, often claiming that some word, say, "jurisdiction" is a concatenation of Latin words and bears some hidden and sinister meaning (I forget what meaning he attributed to "jurisdiction" - there was a lengthy thread on Ickes about it). O'Collins' word magic works rather like numerology: pick a word and try various permutations of its parts in an online Latin translator until you get something sinister sounding.

As you'd expect given the penchant for Latin in the material, O'Collins also has a side line in videos making crazy claims about Roman law.

O'Collins himself appears to be Australian and (according to Ucadia.com) was at some point a member of the liberal party, but makes claim to no other particular qualifications. I wonder, though, whether some of his material might be borrowed - particularly the references to trusts - perhaps drawing on some early Dean Clifford. A video recently posted on Ickes notes in passing that its (British) author was influenced by the ideas of an unnamed Canadian FMOTL (Likely Rob Menard, from the description). So there is evidence of some crazy-cross-pollination in other cases.

The unconventional date and possibly the "trust" number are, IIRC, generated by one of O'Collins' websites when you sign up there. I suspect that your Unfortunate Mr X is simply FMOTL inclined, has been round the websites of the usual suspects, came across UCADIA and decided it wouldn't hurt to give it a go.
 
Ah, good old FOTL - the exact topic that prompted me to join JREF and the world of skepticism!:D
 
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