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Another Mineta thread

More quotes from the document I linked to earlier.

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SAIC Truscott stated that the report of the Pentagon being hit by the suspicious aircraft was announced to the VP and NSA Rice after they arrived At the PEOC.
Which implies that the Pentagon was struck before they went into the PEOC.

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SA [XX, XX] stated that when he had finished briefing all of the posted shift SAs, he remained near VP Cheney's office door. He said that he heard the broadcast alert from the JOC on [XX, XX] radio-frequency: "unidentified aircraft coming toward the White House." SA [XX, XX] said he went into VP Cheney's office and told the Vice President that he had to move to a safe location. SAs [XX, XX XX, XX] immediately brought the Vice President to the ZP (shelter tunnel). SA [XX, XX] said it took the Vice President and detail SAs less than [XXXX] after the broadcast from the JOC to enter the shelter/safe room. He advised that when VP Cheney was in the shelter when they were notified that an airplane had hit the Pentagon.
Similar to the commission's quote from a Secret Service agent, but from a different agent.

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On 9/11/01 at approximately 0930hrs, I was standing outside the Vice President's Office, West Wing, when I heard over___frequency that a plane was heading inbound toward the White House.

At this point, I proceeded directly into the Vice President's Office and told him that we had to relocate to a safer location. The Vice President was quickly removed from his office and relocated by agents of the Vice Presidential Protective Detail to a safe location.

Upon arriving at the safe location, I learned via radio traffic that a plane had just crashed into the Pentagon.

It's pretty clear from the Secret Service records that Cheney was not in the PEOC when American 77 crashed into the Pentagon.
 
If anyone cares, NORAD ROCCs have two separate computer systems; one for their normal operational use and a second back-up system which they also use for exercises.

It is impossible for exercise inputs to appear concurrent with real-world signal.

I can think of a few good reasons for wanting to clear the back-up system of inputs, however.

ETA. Sorry, I meant NORAD SOCCs.
 
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Given Mineta's own personal timeline:
  • was at his DOT office several blocks away at or after 9:03l when UA175 crashed
  • cancelled a meeting with the Belgian minister
  • was briefed by his staff
  • talked to American Airlines CEO on the phone
  • talked to United Airlines CEO on the phone
  • talked with White House staffers on the phone
  • made himself aware that his own staff was setting up a crisis center elsewhere in the building
  • packed his briefcase
  • went downstairs to car
  • rode across Washington to the White House
  • witnessed massive evacuation of same
  • was led to the Situation Room
  • talked there with Clarke for several minutes
  • was then escorted away many stairs down to PEOC
  • set up office there (establishing a couple of phone lines)
it would have been very unlikely that he could have been there [at the PEOC] early enough [before AA77 was tracked and finally crashed into Pentagon].
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According to Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 Commission, as quoted in 911Myths, Mineta saw the crash of UA175 live on TV in his office:
Mineta said:
While Mr. Flaherty was briefing me, I watched as a large commercial jet flew into the second tower of the World Trade Center. At this point things began to happen quickly.
As we know, that crash was just before 9:03. But when did they at the DOT, and Mineta and his chief of staff, Flaherty, specifically, realize they actually saw a second plane crash?

Might depend on what channel Mineta watched.
According to Jane Garvey's interview with the 9/11 Commission, quoted and sourced in the same 911Myths article,
Jane Garvey said:
CNN was on in the Secretary's office.

Alright, now here is archive-org's archive of what CNN broadcast at that time:

http://archive.org/details/911/day/..._Live_This_Morning/start/13:00:00UTC/chan/CNN

Look at the second row of clips!

The second clip in that row starts with the time on the clock indicated as "8:02a CT". It switches to "7:03a MT" just as the plane comes into view from the right for a brief moment, as the clip timer goes from 0:04 to 0:05. There is a momentary black screen at the 0:06 mark - probably coinciding with the crash. So CNN showed the crash at 9:03:01 or 02 seconds on their clock. So there is a delay of a few seconds in their video signal. However, it seems the people speaking on CNN seem not to have seen the plane (something that Mineta later, in June 2006, claims to have seen - but I think that is unreliable) until later. It isn't until a 9:04:07, or the 14-seconds mark in the fourth video, second row, that the newscaster says "perhaps a second plane was involved".

I'd go out on a limb that Mineta took at least as long until he came to the conclusion that something larger was afoot, and he should get into gear immediately. So that adds at least another full minute to the timeline.
 
If anyone cares, NORAD ROCCs have two separate computer systems; one for their normal operational use and a second back-up system which they also use for exercises.

It is impossible for exercise inputs to appear concurrent with real-world signal.

I can think of a few good reasons for wanting to clear the back-up system of inputs, however.

ETA. Sorry, I meant NORAD SOCCs.

here is something interesting i found.
from 911blogger:
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-08-...isplayed-false-tracks-all-through-911-attacks

A memo outlining special instructions for Vigilant Guardian participants described how their equipment needed to be set up to deal with the simulated material. It stated: "The exercise will be conducted sim over live on the air sovereignty string. The Q-93 must be placed in the mixed mode to allow the telling [i.e. the communicating of information between facilities] of sim tracks." [14]

The Q-93 was an important piece of equipment used by NORAD, described as "a suite of computers and peripheral equipment configured to receive plot data from ground radar systems." [15] It had "connectivity to numerous domestic radar sites, receives flight plans from the FAA, and has bi-directional communications with NORAD headquarters and a real-time link to AWACS [Airborne Warning and Control System planes]." It performed "real-time surveillance, identification, and weapons control missions." [16]

here is a link to the file:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26080483/...dr-Entire-Contents-Vigilant-Guardian-Docs-760


is the Q-93 the backup system your talking about? what is the air sovereignty string they speak of. i cant find anything about it.
 
here is something interesting i found.
from 911blogger:
http://911blogger.com/news/2010-08-...isplayed-false-tracks-all-through-911-attacks

A memo outlining special instructions for Vigilant Guardian participants described how their equipment needed to be set up to deal with the simulated material. It stated: "The exercise will be conducted sim over live on the air sovereignty string. The Q-93 must be placed in the mixed mode to allow the telling [i.e. the communicating of information between facilities] of sim tracks." [14]

The Q-93 was an important piece of equipment used by NORAD, described as "a suite of computers and peripheral equipment configured to receive plot data from ground radar systems." [15] It had "connectivity to numerous domestic radar sites, receives flight plans from the FAA, and has bi-directional communications with NORAD headquarters and a real-time link to AWACS [Airborne Warning and Control System planes]." It performed "real-time surveillance, identification, and weapons control missions." [16]

here is a link to the file:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/26080483/...dr-Entire-Contents-Vigilant-Guardian-Docs-760


is the Q-93 the backup system your talking about? what is the air sovereignty string they speak of. i cant find anything about it.

blogger? lol, what a load of failed implications. Using failed sources is the reason you can't find anything. If you applied your research skills to finding facts instead of finding the nonsense you want from 911 truth, you might not be fooled into spreading lies about 911.

A command post exercise. Wow. Means anything real world would stop the exercise, for any current operations functions of the command post. Means no matter how many exercises are going, nothing trumps real world.

The exercise CT part of 911 truth claims qualify as the dumbest claims, as stupid as nukes, beam weapons, and thermite doing 911. Which idiotic 911 truth liar started this claptrap about exercises? The comments at 911 blogger verify there are zero critical thinking skills in the 911 blogger community, where the truth is censored.
 
there's also a file backing up what they are talking about. look at my post above.;)
Yes, a file of stuff they don't understand. Real world beats an exercise. An exercise would actually have more people available if a real world situation broke out. Means, it is the opposite of a stand down, it is stand up. But go ahead, listen to idiots who can't figure out 911, and believe them blindly.
 
Yes, a file of stuff they don't understand. Real world beats an exercise. An exercise would actually have more people available if a real world situation broke out. Means, it is the opposite of a stand down, it is stand up. But go ahead, listen to idiots who can't figure out 911, and believe them blindly.

Exercises are in my experience the biggest peacetime activity of reserve officers.
 
Exercises are in my experience the biggest peacetime activity of reserve officers.
Yes.

There isn't a bridge on any of the highways into Sydney that I haven't demolished at least once. (Note: "Into Sydney" Not the two big ones in the city. If the bad guys get that far in we have lost. No point demolishing those ones. And one of them is our City's #1 recognition feature.)

At a much lower level - training staff to manage emergency incidents - on one occasions we exercised "burst gas main in middle of city". Despite pre-warning the emergency services - police, ambulance, fire brigade, SES, VRA the fire brigade responded to one of the exercise scenarios.

And on a different and real "gas in the pipe" event - I had one 'on the ground' team leader try to use a cigarette lighter to look into the broken pipe. :o
 
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Exercises are in my experience the biggest peacetime activity of reserve officers.

At AFWAL, the reserve officers would flesh out the combat scenario, to make our studies/research more real.

In my last assignment, reserve officers did all the work.

In desert storm, one, hopefully not the majority, reserves officer pilot was not too happy to be near combat; but the reserve officers nurses and doctors, volunteered for combat. Actually, it may have been the bonus active duty pilots who were not happy to be in near combat... (not that anyone would be happy to be near combat, but when you can help, to serve ... )

Experience, something 911 truth does not have.
 
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reserve officers?? dosent look like it.

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00789.pdf


"The 9/11 planned operations were exercise vigilant guardian and the norad operation northern denial. the battle staff at cheyenne mountain was positioned to staff both operations. findley was on the night shift, and was about to come off shift when the attacks began. he noted that because of the shift change at the time of the attacks there were additional personnel present."
 
reserve officers?? dosent look like it.

http://media.nara.gov/9-11/MFR/t-0148-911MFR-00789.pdf


"The 9/11 planned operations were exercise vigilant guardian and the norad operation northern denial. the battle staff at cheyenne mountain was positioned to staff both operations. findley was on the night shift, and was about to come off shift when the attacks began. he noted that because of the shift change at the time of the attacks there were additional personnel present."

What is your point? Your source does not say who was not a reserver officer? Is that your point? I did not see any active duty titles, did you? How would you know, who cares? Better question; what is the point?


reserve officers, reserve officers, reserve officers

So? Did you wake up. Yes reserve officers did a lot of work on their duty week, or weekend, if we could get hours for them. Everything I said was true about their work, a guess on their attitude when in the combat zone.

But you proved there were more people available on 911 to help due to exercises. Good job debunking 911 truth again.
 
What is your point? Your source does not say who was not a reserver officer? Is that your point? I did not see any active duty titles, did you? How would you know, who cares? Better question; what is the point?


reserve officers, reserve officers, reserve officers

So? Did you wake up. Yes reserve officers did a lot of work on their duty week, or weekend, if we could get hours for them. Everything I said was true about their work, a guess on their attitude when in the combat zone.

But you proved there were more people available on 911 to help due to exercises. Good job debunking 911 truth again.
the file says "battle staff". cheyenne mountain were the ones getting "inputs" from neads. you know the ones sim over live.
 

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