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Wudang said:
Off the top of my head (ie may be daft) can IFTT do any of that?

As an aside, it's quite dated now, but the IBM TCP/IP redbook is (was?) a great reference. Last updated 2006. Shame they seem to have stopped that program.
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Looks like TCP/IP hasn't had a significant update since at least before 2006, so they probably haven't seen a reason to publish a new edition of the book.

The Redbook program itself is still going strong, so it seems likely they'll publish a new edition if/when a new version of TCP/IP is published.
 
Darat said:
Yes but it's fiddly and can't cope with changing circumstances. The example scenario I created is what the marketing of the likes of IFTT and these devices sort of promise but they haven't been able to deliver until the recent batch of AI and AI agents, now they can and I don't have to program them, they can learn my routines, my preferences and start to make appropriate suggestions and take actions on my behalf.

Another example - when going out for a few hours I will get my devices to play Radio 4 at a low volume -some company for my dog but sometimes I forget. I want an assistant to notice if I've forgotten and do something, perhaps prompting me with a message saying, "are you out for some time, do you want me to switch on the radio for the dog?". Or after some learning it messages me and says "switched the radio on for the dog".
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I'm sure there's a Skill you can create that would do that, assuming it has the abilities you need (seeing it something's playing, assigning a timer to it, etc.)
 
But they all require me to actively do something, the AI agents should be able to work out what I want them to do without me having to do the work.
 
Darat said:
But they all require me to actively do something, the AI agents should be able to work out what I want them to do without me having to do the work.
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I'm reminded again, of a lecture in 1992, where the lecturer discussed how difficult it is for an AI to do that kind of thing.

His example was:

"Errr... Computer. What time does the train go to Melbourne?"

And then proceeded to unpack the question to show home much the computer has to 'know' to be able to answer the question.

Things like:

1. What is a train?
2. What does go mean?
3. What is a timetable?
4. Which Melbourne?
5. What is the starting point?

If someone walked up to me and asked me that question, I'd say:

There is a train that leaves from Keswick station, twice per week, that goes to Melbourne.
It leaves at 8.15 am on a Sunday, and 7.30 am on a Thursday.
Keswick is just outside the city of Adelaide, up against the Western Parklands.

An AI would probably bog down looking at all the trains that are local to Victoria which go to Melbourne.

I tried giving the question to Google and it recommended that I leave at 6.30am today.

:)

I long for the day where I can say:

"Computer make me breakfast" and get the reply:

"You haven't had eggs Florentine for some time now, how does that sound?"

"Make it so."

:)
 
Blue Mountain said:
Ask an AI agent to find a flight from London to Sydney that takes under three hours.

You realize I was talking about London, Ontario to Sydney, Nova Scotia, right? :)
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I like the secret information (under three hours) that you have to add to get the right ticket.

Apparently place names are not unique in Australia either.

If you enter "Dry Creek" as your destination, you could end up anywhere in the country.

:D
 
novaphile said:
I'm reminded again, of a lecture in 1992, where the lecturer discussed how difficult it is for an AI to do that kind of thing.

His example was:

"Errr... Computer. What time does the train go to Melbourne?"

And then proceeded to unpack the question to show home much the computer has to 'know' to be able to answer the question.

Things like:

1. What is a train?
2. What does go mean?
3. What is a timetable?
4. Which Melbourne?
5. What is the starting point?

If someone walked up to me and asked me that question, I'd say:

There is a train that leaves from Keswick station, twice per week, that goes to Melbourne.
It leaves at 8.15 am on a Sunday, and 7.30 am on a Thursday.
Keswick is just outside the city of Adelaide, up against the Western Parklands.

An AI would probably bog down looking at all the trains that are local to Victoria which go to Melbourne.

I tried giving the question to Google and it recommended that I leave at 6.30am today.

:)

I long for the day where I can say:

"Computer make me breakfast" and get the reply:

"You haven't had eggs Florentine for some time now, how does that sound?"

"Make it so."

:)
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Nope, they can already do that.

Asking Co-pilot about trains to Melbourne:

It seems you're asking about train travel to Melbourne, but here's the thing—Melbourne is quite far from Bracknell, across continents! To reach Melbourne, Australia, you'd typically need to fly.

(It says Bracknell on my tablet as that doesn't have my home addresss so it's looked at where my ISP hooks into the internet.)

Asking about trains to London:


Trains from Bracknell to London run frequently throughout the day. The first train typically departs at **05:00**, and the last one leaves around **23:31**. The journey takes about **1 hour and 18 minutes** on average, with some faster services completing it in just **1 hour and 1 minute**[43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054](https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/bracknell-to-london?citationMarker=43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054 "1")[43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054](https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/bracknell-to-london-waterloo?citationMarker=43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054 "2").

If you'd like to check specific times or book tickets, you can visit [Trainline](https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/bracknell-to-london) or [National Rail](https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/destinations/trains-from-bracknell-to-london/). Let me know if you'd like help planning your trip!

As for the breakfast question that is exactly what I want and the current AIs could do that. For some reason companies are missing the low hanging fruit, if I still had the vim and vigor of youth I would be trying to get into that space.

ETA: The train one is another good example, my other half works the majority of the time from home, but has to occasionally go into their office in London. They put that day into their calendar, an AI agent should be looking at that and be asking them the evening before "Shall I book your train ticket for tomorrow?". Mine should be looking at my calendar and seeing a visit to one of my consultants in a couple of weeks and be reminding me that I need to book some blood tests before that visit.
 
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Darat said:
Nope, they can already do that.

Asking Co-pilot about trains to Melbourne:

It seems you're asking about train travel to Melbourne, but here's the thing—Melbourne is quite far from Bracknell, across continents! To reach Melbourne, Australia, you'd typically need to fly.

(It says Bracknell on my tablet as that doesn't have my home addresss so it's looked at where my ISP hooks into the internet.)

Asking about trains to London:


Trains from Bracknell to London run frequently throughout the day. The first train typically departs at **05:00**, and the last one leaves around **23:31**. The journey takes about **1 hour and 18 minutes** on average, with some faster services completing it in just **1 hour and 1 minute**[43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054](https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/bracknell-to-london?citationMarker=43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054 "1")[43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054](https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/bracknell-to-london-waterloo?citationMarker=43dcd9a7-70db-4a1f-b0ae-981daa162054 "2").

If you'd like to check specific times or book tickets, you can visit [Trainline](https://www.thetrainline.com/train-times/bracknell-to-london) or [National Rail](https://www.nationalrail.co.uk/destinations/trains-from-bracknell-to-london/). Let me know if you'd like help planning your trip!

As for the breakfast question that is exactly what I want and the current AIs could do that. For some reason companies are missing the low hanging fruit, if I still had the vim and vigor of youth I would be trying to get into that space.

ETA: The train one is another good example, my other half works the majority of the time from home, but has to occasionally go into their office in London. They put that day into their calendar, an AI agent should be looking at that and be asking them the evening before "Shall I book your train ticket for tomorrow?". Mine should be looking at my calendar and seeing a visit to one of my consultants in a couple of weeks and be reminding me that I need to book some blood tests before that visit.
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But Melbourne doesn't have a station...

You could get the train to Derby and then a bus. Or you could fly to East Midlands...
 
Blue Mountain said:
Ask an AI agent to find a flight from London to Sydney that takes under three hours.

You realize I was talking about London, Ontario to Sydney, Nova Scotia, right? :)
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No, I didn't realize that. I made the obvious assumption that you assumed I would make.

I'm not sure this tells us much about the efficacy of AI assistants.

Meanwhile, my AI assistant assumes I'm talking about Portland, Oregon, not Portland, Maine. Not because I set it up that way, but because it's not as stupid you might think.
 
theprestige said:
No, I didn't realize that. I made the obvious assumption that you assumed I would make.

I'm not sure this tells us much about the efficacy of AI assistants.

Meanwhile, my AI assistant assumes I'm talking about Portland, Oregon, not Portland, Maine. Not because I set it up that way, but because it's not as stupid you might think.
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It could well be as stupid as you might think depending on where you are when you ask that question. If I was in Toronto it could well figure out I'm asking for destinations in Ontario and Nova Scotia. But if I was in Vancouver, BC or Glasgow, Scotland I can easily see it getting confused about such a request.
 
Blue Mountain said:
It could well be as stupid as you might think depending on where you are when you ask that question. If I was in Toronto it could well figure out I'm asking for destinations in Ontario and Nova Scotia. But if I was in Vancouver, BC or Glasgow, Scotland I can easily see it getting confused about such a request.
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Getting confused by a deliberately ambiguous trick question isn't really a mark against AI assistants.
 
So nobody has any evidence that Alexa is collecting data (encrypted or not) of any sort unless it has explicitly been woken up.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
So nobody has any evidence that Alexa is collecting data (encrypted or not) of any sort unless it has explicitly been woken up.
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Bit of a straw man you've got there. The article says nothing of the sort.

Amazon itself is saying Alexa will no longer process commands locally, but rather forward them to Amazon for AI-assisted analysis. Which seems like conclusive evidence that Amazon is doing exactly that.

Which, I was surprised they weren't doing that already, which has caused me some confusion and misunderstanding in this thread. I'm sorry if my being wrong led you astray.
 
Not only Amazon, but maybe Firefox. I just posted a lightsaber for sale on eBay, and the first ad that popped up on Facebook when I visited was one for lightsabers. As far as I know, I don't have any connection between those accounts and I only used the browser, not an app.
 
alfaniner said:
Not only Amazon, but maybe Firefox. I just posted a lightsaber for sale on eBay, and the first ad that popped up on Facebook when I visited was one for lightsabers. As far as I know, I don't have any connection between those accounts and I only used the browser, not an app.
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That can be explained by a link between eBay and Facebook, especially if you were logged into Facebook at the same time you posted the sale on eBay. It probably wasn't Firefox, just the ubiquitous data sharing that happens in the background when you're on the web.

Which is why I do almost all my searches on places like eBay, Canadian Tire, Staples, etc using clean browsers in private windows. After I'm done with the site, I close the browser and delete its cache and profile. All cookies—even the "forever cookies" stored using the browser's local storage—are wiped out.

Unfortunately tracking can still be done using my IP address, which tends to be static. I'm not (yet) paranoid enough to use Tor, and I'm still learning about IPv6 and its use of temporary addresses.
 
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plague311 said:
I've got a buddy that uses all open source stuff. It doesn't have the voice activation but most of it can be used from his phone. People need to stop depending on these stupid little devices.
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If he's on Home Assistant for his automation, he can set up the Wyoming Protocol. I'm working on a satellite.
 
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