AE911 Gets some WTC7 ANSYS data via FOIA

[sheeplesnshills]

Labeling is not conduct becoming of a moderator of a forum that is supposedly trying to promote critical thinking and civil discourse. It's merely a simple tactic of guilt by association. If I'm a Truther than I'm also an anti-semite and lumped in with murderers.

Ok what would you call yourself?.....and it was the so called "truth" movement that uses the word so much that "truther "was an inevitable nickname.
(I do agree with you its a very inaccurate description

By the illogic of Myriad's failed attempt at humor, Libertarians would have to bear the responsibility of the Pentagon shooter since he identified himself as such.

I would agree. Libertarians (essentially neo anarchists) share many of the same characteristics of Truthers and I suspect make up a large part of their numbers.

 

[carlitos]

Nice semantics. Labeling as a "truther" is ... bad?

http://911truther.com/

It's been a few months since my first exposure to the evidence being presented by the members of the 9/11 Truth Movement. Today I'm starting 9/11 Truther Cyberzine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_Truth_movement

"9/11 Truth movement" is the collective name of loosely affiliated[15][18] organizations and individuals that question whether the United States government, agencies of the United States or individuals within such agencies were either responsible for or purposefully complicit in the September 11 attacks.[3][4][5][6][7][22][23][24] The term is also being used by the adherents of the movement.[25][26] Adherents also call themselves "9/11 Truthers",[27] "9/11 skeptics"[28] or "truth activists",[29] while generally rejecting the term "conspiracy theorists".[15][29]

Awesome video - I'm a Truther... I'm a Republocrat

 

[Myriad]

Labeling is not conduct becoming of a moderator of a forum that is supposedly trying to promote critical thinking and civil discourse.

Of course it isn't. Perhaps you will be good enough to tell me which forum member(s) I've so labeled, and what objectionable label I've given them, so that I can make amends.

In the meantime, was my answer to your question about impulse issues correct?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Dave Rogers]

By the illogic of Myriad's failed attempt at humor, Libertarians would have to bear the responsibility of the Pentagon shooter since he identified himself as such.

You'll be kind enough, of course, to point out the bit in Myriad's post where he said that Truthers would have to bear the responsibility of the Pentagon shooter.

Dave

 

[aggle-rithm]

Labeling is not conduct becoming of a moderator of a forum that is supposedly trying to promote critical thinking and civil discourse. It's merely a simple tactic of guilt by association. If I'm a Truther than I'm also an anti-semite and lumped in with murderers.

By the illogic of Myriad's failed attempt at humor, Libertarians would have to bear the responsibility of the Pentagon shooter since he identified himself as such.

You seem to be genuinely ashamed of the things you believe. Although you make many insinuations, you avoid putting forth any concrete arguments that you might have to defend, and you are clearly embarrassed to be spoken of in the same breath as people who apparently hold the same beliefs.

So why do you persist in believing?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

There's one in your bathroom in the window just above the sink. Go look.

Labeling is not conduct becoming of a moderator of a forum that is supposedly trying to promote critical thinking and civil discourse. It's merely a simple tactic of guilt by association. If I'm a Truther than I'm also an anti-semite and lumped in with murderers.

By the illogic of Myriad's failed attempt at humor, Libertarians would have to bear the responsibility of the Pentagon shooter since he identified himself as such.

I'd like to thank all the little people who helped me achieve my sudden promotion and pre-emptively apologize for my imminent, but mercifully brief, reign of terror and petty abuse of my new powers.

 

[RedIbis]

Of course it isn't. Perhaps you will be good enough to tell me which forum member(s) I've so labeled, and what objectionable label I've given them, so that I can make amends.

In the meantime, was my answer to your question about impulse issues correct?

Respectfully,
Myriad

I didn't say anything about forum members.

In the meantime, no, you were neither clever nor correct.

 

[The Big Dog]

In the meantime, no, you were neither clever nor correct.

Bare assertion fallacy.

 

[dtugg]

It's always hilarious when truthers object to being called truthers.

 

[Myriad]

I didn't say anything about forum members.

I take it then that I did not in fact apply derogatory labels or any other such incivility to any forum members, which would (if I had done so) be conduct not becoming a moderator of these forums. That is a great relief.

I am, however, mortified to learn that RedIbis does not regard my response concerning the meaning of impulse management (that is to say, my association of "impulse management" with "impulse control," as in "poor impulse control" as a phrase sometimes used to describe people who act unwisely on impulse, such as the Truther who tried to shoot his way into the Pentagon) to be either clever or correct. I shall strive to do better.

Being something of a nerd, I also associate the word "impulse" with "impulse power" which propels spaceships lacking warp drive capabilities in the Star Trek universe. Presumably such a system would require control mechanisms, hence "impulse management" might refer to a portion of the engineering systems of a future spaceship, such as those that will never be invented or built if Truthers ever succeed in their efforts to suppress all scientific and engineering expertise in favor of their own uninformed judgments, as they already do in all venues they control.

Am I getting warmer?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[Newtons Bit]

I take it then that I did not in fact apply derogatory labels or any other such incivility to any forum members, which would (if I had done so) be conduct not becoming a moderator of these forums. That is a great relief.

I am, however, mortified to learn that RedIbis does not regard my response concerning the meaning of impulse management (that is to say, my association of "impulse management" with "impulse control," as in "poor impulse control" as a phrase sometimes used to describe people who act unwisely on impulse, such as the Truther who tried to shoot his way into the Pentagon) to be either clever or correct. I shall strive to do better.

Being something of a nerd, I also associate the word "impulse" with "impulse power" which propels spaceships lacking warp drive capabilities in the Star Trek universe. Presumably such a system would require control mechanisms, hence "impulse management" might refer to a portion of the engineering systems of a future spaceship, such as those that will never be invented or built if Truthers ever succeed in their efforts to suppress all scientific and engineering expertise in favor of their own uninformed judgments, as they already do in all venues they control.

Am I getting warmer?

Respectfully,
Myriad

God you're wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG! Ships with warp drives still travel under "impulse power" for their sub-light propulsion.

Ugh!

 

[ElMondoHummus]

God you're wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG! Ships with warp drives still travel under "impulse power" for their sub-light propulsion.

Ugh!

 

[beachnut]

But there were explosions witnessed and some recorded on 9/11. Some people even firefighters thought they were bombs. You can only pretend to know after the fact they were or weren't. This is the essence of JREF 9/11 debunking. That and name calling.

911 truth moronic ideas have failed for 8 years. Some of the massive explosions heard were bodies hitting the ground. Failure is an absolute for 911 truth, and supporters continue to fail, defeated by similes. 911 truth's lack of evidence is showing. 911 truth ideas have failed, and with your support are guaranteed future failure due to lack of evidence, no substance and failed talk. Does 911 truth give guides to make moronic posts when people join 911 truth delusions cults?

Cryptome (www.cryptome.org) continues to get 9/11-related information via FOIA. Today he posts an NIST FOIA "Final Response" which produced some but not all ANSYS files for WTC7. The reason given for withholding some of them was that it would "jeopardize public safety".

The response is addressed to Ronald Brookman who is one of the people Telltail Tom lists as one of the engineers in AE911. I'll take him at his word.

Props to some Truther for actually trying to get some information. Lets see what they can do with it.

http://cryptome.org/wtc-nist-wtc7-no.pdf Dated Jan 26, 2010.

Profanz,
Where do the explosions come in for WTC7? Who heard explosions from WTC7? Where in the OP were explosions part of the FOIA? Please start your support thread for explosions associated with WTC7. Looks like you are off topic for this thread and lost.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

It's always hilarious when truthers object to being called truthers.

Especially as the usual name they use for anyone who disagrees with them is Sheeple or Shill!
I think the Truther doth protest too much

 

[RedIbis]

I take it then that I did not in fact apply derogatory labels or any other such incivility to any forum members, which would (if I had done so) be conduct not becoming a moderator of these forums. That is a great relief.

I am, however, mortified to learn that RedIbis does not regard my response concerning the meaning of impulse management (that is to say, my association of "impulse management" with "impulse control," as in "poor impulse control" as a phrase sometimes used to describe people who act unwisely on impulse, such as the Truther who tried to shoot his way into the Pentagon) to be either clever or correct. I shall strive to do better.

Being something of a nerd, I also associate the word "impulse" with "impulse power" which propels spaceships lacking warp drive capabilities in the Star Trek universe. Presumably such a system would require control mechanisms, hence "impulse management" might refer to a portion of the engineering systems of a future spaceship, such as those that will never be invented or built if Truthers ever succeed in their efforts to suppress all scientific and engineering expertise in favor of their own uninformed judgments, as they already do in all venues they control.

Am I getting warmer?

Respectfully,
Myriad

Not really. I gave you the context in which the phrase was used in post #29.

 

[Myriad]

God you're wrong. WRONG WRONG WRONG! Ships with warp drives still travel under "impulse power" for their sub-light propulsion.

Ugh!

I knew that. (But we more often see it used by the capital ships when the warp drive is out of commission, which is technically "lacking warp drive capability" at least temporarily.)

(Actually, to me impulse power always seemed to be a more advanced technology than warp drives. Warp drives presumably take advantage of some kind of space warping loophole in the laws of physics. But impulse power works in normal space-time and yet can propel huge ships with enormous accelerations with no noticeable emission of reaction mass. As impressive as warp drive is, it's impulse engines that could give you things like efficient hovercars and levitated cities. Note that Zefram Cochrane's starship prototype went directly from rockets to warp drive, confirming that impulse engines are probably technically more advanced.)

Not really. I gave you the context in which the phrase was used in post #29.

Really? Wow. And here it is post 96, and you still haven't gotten to your point. When you do manage to have an impulse to do so, let us know, okay?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[ElMondoHummus]

(Actually, to me impulse power always seemed to be a more advanced technology than warp drives. Warp drives presumably take advantage of some kind of space warping loophole in the laws of physics. But impulse power works in normal space-time and yet can propel huge ships with enormous accelerations with no noticeable emission of reaction mass. As impressive as warp drive is, it's impulse engines that could give you things like efficient hovercars and levitated cities. Note that Zefram Cochrane's starship prototype went directly from rockets to warp drive, confirming that impulse engines are probably technically more advanced.)

Good God... we just got outgeeked by Myriad.

I feel the need to turn in my Trekkie-nerd credentials now.

 

[R.Mackey]

Except he's wrong.

The Romulans developed advanced impulse drive (tactically competitive to that of the Federation), but not warp drive, despite being in contact with the Federation. Warp drive is presented as a parallel or superior technology. This is from Episode #14 of TOS ("Balance of Terror") and is therefore as canon as it gets.

For confirmation, look to the SS Botany Bay of "Space Seed," found adrift roughly 40 light years from Earth after 271 years of travel, yet it was built in the 1990's. This vessel clearly had nothing approximating warp drive, but it did have high sublight capability of some sort.

Which one between warp drive and impulse is more useful, that's a more difficult question.

 

[Baylor]

I like turtles.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I believe that in the novelization of "Star Trek: The Motion Picture", Gene Roddenberry himself described the impulse drive as being a fusion rocket engine. Rather than hydrogen and oxygen burning chemically, hydrogen alone was caused to fuse and then dumped out the back to provide thrust. Similar to a conventional rocket.

I'm going purely by memory though and do not have a copy of the novel handy.