AE911 Gets some WTC7 ANSYS data via FOIA

[Dave Rogers]

It's already been established that plenty of people heard explosions on 9/11. Debunkers have even admitted plenty of times that there were explosions on 9/11. What is in dispute is what those explosions were. Whatever they were you aren't gong to find a lot of recordings of them. So what?

So in order to be responsible for the collapses, the explosions would have to have taken place within a couple of seconds before the visible initiation of the collapse. So in order to have severed steel the explosives would have to be high brisance, which would create an unmistakable and extraordinarily loud sound, louder than the sound of the collapse. So no such sound was reported by any witnesses, and no such sound was recorded on devices which were suitably placed and of more than sufficient sensitivity to pick them up. The evidence, therefore, strongly and unambiguously supports the argument that explosives didn't cause the collapse. That's what.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

Do you know what impulse management is?

In this context, it's the control of the release of energy in an exothermic reaction so as not to release it all in a single burst. In other words, thermobarics are capable of slowing down the release of energy to produce a longer duration explosion, the exact opposite of what is required for destruction of steel. Brief, high-speed, high-pressure energy release, which is required for severing of structural steel members, is outside the capability of thermobaric weapons. If that were not the case, the Twin Towers would have fallen immediately after the initial aircraft impacts, which produced a fuel-air deflagration very similar to the effect of a thermobaric explosion.

Dave

 

[BigAl]

Then they are really witholding data that makes it impossible to fully simulate their model from beginning to end?

We use the models to understand which beams failed in the fire so as to make better buildings in the future.

We don't need a model to know that fire and the lack of water for firefighting caused WTC7 to collapse.

 

[fallout]

We use the models to understand which beams failed in the fire so as to make better buildings in the future.

We don't need a model to know that fire and the lack of water for firefighting caused WTC7 to collapse.

We who?


Separately, is what bill said true? Are they holding data with the "jeopardise the public safety" excuse? That's what I want to know.

 

[funk de fino]

Weapons that are thermobaric.

See, I can be juvenile, too.

The fact you mentioned thermobaric weapons showed us that fact already Red. You really are on an epic fail roll at the moment.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

NIST have verifiaby lied in the WTC7 final report.

Where? Link please.

The Institute may continue as most of it's scientists are completely bona fide and blameless. But the scandalous way that their work has been hijacked and warped for political reasons by people at the top ike Shyam Sunder and John Gross for instance will be ended with extreme punishments handed out.

Are you threatening people? I think thats a breach of forum rules

See what Lord Griffin has to say in the attached audio from yesterday.

LORD???????? When was he made a Peer?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

bill smith;5717695]NIST cannot fake the data to conform with the results they showed. Well, actually they can but then we would see the impossibly fake input data that achieved such a result.

Who in the truther movement has the technical skills to do that? Griffin? Gage?
Jones? ROTFLOL!

Ergo. They will not release the data. Dishonest and criminal behaviour well worthy of the proposed Grand Jury Investigation of NIST.. Should I say the now pretty well unavoidable Grand Jury Investigation.

I hope you are not a betting man or you might be in for a painful shock

 

[sheeplesnshills]

No, the idea that they are withholding any of the data sets is silly, because there's no justifiable reason to do so.

I can think of at least one reason. They may expose a design feature that makes similar buildings vulnerable to attack. Do you think its justified to release such information just for truthers to disbelieve that as well and open up perhaps hundreds of potential targets for the terrorists?? (Yes I know, you think they don't exist)

 

[fallout]

I can think of at least one reason. They may expose a design feature that makes similar buildings vulnerable to attack. Do you think its justified to release such information just for truthers to disbelieve that as well and open up perhaps hundreds of potential targets for the terrorists?? (Yes I know, you think they don't exist)

But what is the actual data they didn't allow public? I know you don't know , because it isn't public, lol... But what is the allegedly missing part of the data?

 

[BigAl]

We use the models to understand which beams failed in the fire so as to make better buildings in the future.

We don't need a model to know that fire and the lack of water for firefighting caused WTC7 to collapse.

We who?

Everyone with the compentency to make a structural model and interpret the results.

Separately, is what bill said true? Are they holding data with the "jeopardise the public safety" excuse? That's what I want to know.

Yup. that's what the FOIA response said.

 

[aggle-rithm]

How much did the 93 bomb register Sword_of_Truth?

Speaking for myself, I don't know. But I do know that if they did register on a seismograph, then it supports the point that there couldn't have been explosives on 9/11 because they didn't show up on the seismograph. If they did NOT register on a seismograph, then it supports the idea that even if there were explosives, they, like the 93 bomb, weren't powerful enough to cause a collapse.

 

[aggle-rithm]

LORD???????? When was he made a Peer?

When he was selected to serve on a jury. A jury of his peers.

 

[aggle-rithm]

Do you know what impulse management is?

A quick Google search reveals that there are many possible meanings for this term. For instance, I use impulse management to train my dogs.

Perhaps you could tell us which definition you have in mind?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Speaking for myself, I don't know. But I do know that if they did register on a seismograph, then it supports the point that there couldn't have been explosives on 9/11 because they didn't show up on the seismograph. If they did NOT register on a seismograph, then it supports the idea that even if there were explosives, they, like the 93 bomb, weren't powerful enough to cause a collapse.

The 1993 bomb wasn't coupled directly to a structural member as a pourpose-built demolition charge would be.

In order to bring down WTC 1, 2 and 7, there would have been tens of thousands of demolition charges.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

But what is the actual data they didn't allow public? I know you don't know , because it isn't public, lol... But what is the allegedly missing part of the data?

The bit NIST is not releasing?

 

[Myriad]

Do you know what impulse management is?

It's what Truthers who try to shoot their way into the Pentagon need more of, right?

Respectfully,
Myriad

 

[RedIbis]

It's what Truthers who try to shoot their way into the Pentagon need more of, right?

Respectfully,
Myriad

What's a Truther?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

What's a Truther?

There's one in your bathroom in the window just above the sink. Go look.

 

[RedIbis]

There's one in your bathroom in the window over the sink. Go look.

Labeling is not conduct becoming of a moderator of a forum that is supposedly trying to promote critical thinking and civil discourse. It's merely a simple tactic of guilt by association. If I'm a Truther than I'm also an anti-semite and lumped in with murderers.

By the illogic of Myriad's failed attempt at humor, Libertarians would have to bear the responsibility of the Pentagon shooter since he identified himself as such.

 

[The Big Dog]

Labeling is not conduct becoming of a moderator of a forum that is supposedly trying to promote critical thinking and civil discourse. It's merely a simple tactic of guilt by association. If I'm a Truther than I'm also an anti-semite and lumped in with murderers.

By the illogic of Myriad's failed attempt at humor, Libertarians would have to bear the responsibility of the Pentagon shooter since he identified himself as such.

Bare assertion fallacy.